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23715. thoughtful - 3/4/2008 6:05:54 PM I always crack up with the uniform controversy given my experience growing up.
In our high school we had a strict dress code which the senior class negotiated away with the administration so the dress code became one of nothing too naked (like a bathing suit), too distracting (like a clown outfit), or anything that would damage the building (like cleats). The net result was students wearing 'uniforms' of bell bottom hip hugger jeans and t shirts. And this was in the heyday of the "do your own thing" 60s and 70s.
In fact the 'uniforms' even went to hairdos. When I look in the class yearbook, every girl has long straight hair, no bangs, parted in the middle.
So much for individuality! 23716. Ms. No - 3/5/2008 12:36:30 AM T'ful,
No, I agree that it helps to dress the part whether it's stage or real life. It was no end of frustrating in the corporate world to find useless, do-nothing morons who got perks simply because they looked sharp.
I was never inappropriately dressed for any of my jobs, but corporate chic has never been my, (ahem) strong suit. I'm well aware that not dressing the part put me at a disadvantage as did the lack of desire to get up and spend an hour each moring "doing" my hair and make-up. I'm not a fixy person.
I think I can manage to get up each day and dress like a grown-up, however. ;-> Also, a recent make-up discovery that takes me 15 minutes total from moisturizer to mascara has been a major miracle. I like wearing it because it doesn't feel nasty and it's quick and easy to apply. Plus, it looks great.
Jeeze, I'm such a girly-girl lately. Currently I'm in jeans and clogs and preparing to go hang with lots of stray dogs at the SPCA this evening. It's my first volunteer orientation meeting and I'm really excited.....although it's still over three hours away. 23717. arkymalarky - 3/5/2008 12:41:58 AM When we dress like schlepps, we're looked down on. When we dress a notch higher than everyone else, we're respected.
I've worked for administrators who think like that, including my current principal, who was a friend of mine before she was hired. It often doesn't hold true for the classroom, and I think they waste energy worrying about stuff like that when they need to be focusing on more important things. Of course I've done this a long time and I don't have problems with discipline or lack of effort on the students' part, and in my AP classes, the class--including me--is a team. We don't have time or interest to consider what anybody's wearing. 23718. arkymalarky - 3/5/2008 12:43:23 AM Ooooh, Thoughtful--Mose told me she's submitting my name for that show. 23719. arkymalarky - 3/5/2008 12:51:44 AM I don't wear makeup to work. I rarely wear it at all. The older I get the more rebellious I am, but I also have a strong reputation where I work and could easily go to work elsewhere if I had to (I turn down offers every year), so I really just don't think about stuff like that. I could retire with full benefits after next year, and I'm just loving work with zero stress right now, especially since finishing grad school.
Enjoy your animal evening, No! 23720. thoughtful - 3/5/2008 12:53:25 AM Oh, I wasn't suggesting corporate for an education environment...only suggesting that something like this:
is just as comfortable and takes no more time to put on than jeans and a top, but you won't be mistaken for a student.
My makeup routine used to take 5 min but I had to have my makeup done professionally for a video the co. was making of me and it intrigued me to spend a little more time and take a little extra care when doing my makeup. I switched to a mineral foundation and now find it takes a few minutes longer.
Of course, as I've gotten older, my makeup takes longer anyway. Things change, like I never used to have to tame my eyebrows like I do now...not to mention tend the moustache (thanks to my polish grandmother who sported a good one!) 23721. arkymalarky - 3/5/2008 12:57:26 AM That's cute. Looks about like what I wear now that I don't wear jeans. Oh, and I HATE to iron. 23722. Ms. No - 3/5/2008 1:01:37 AM I don't have much that must be ironed, but what I refuse to do is wear "dry clean only". 23723. Ms. No - 3/5/2008 1:03:04 AM Cute shirt, Thoughtful! 23724. judithathome - 3/5/2008 1:20:02 AM Thoughtful is the mineral stuff the brush on? Becase I find that takes me far less time than liquid makeup base used to. I can get out of the shower with sopping wet hair and be ready to walk out the door in 20 minutes...hair done and makeup on and dressed.
I use Bare Minerals and it stays on ALL DAY as does the lip product I use. I can eat anything and my lip color stays on...even greasy stuff like French bread dipped in olive oil and garlic. 23725. Jenerator - 3/5/2008 3:59:23 AM My previous boss' idea of 'casual day' consisted of slacks, a cigarette jacket and an ascot!
Personally, I think teachers should be able to wear business casual dress, but it's the freak fringe that ruins it for everyone.
The principal will send a memo that reads: Under NO circumstances are faculty and staff to wear jeans unless designated on speical jean days - Sept 25, Jan 14, and May 17, and unevitably, a small group of morons will wear them on our in-service days so that we cannot wear them ever!
Furthermore, casual dress is entirely TOO casual for some people. Again, it's that small group that that ruins it for the rest of it.
Students DO judge us, but usually it's whether or not we look cool.
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Judith,
Here, standardized dress is different from uniform.
23726. arkymalarky - 3/5/2008 4:10:22 AM "No jeans" isn't a deal breaker for me, but it's close. I will say, of the districts that have been recruiting me in the past four or five years, none of them have a teacher dress code (besides not being trashy or immodest) and the district superintendents and principals know me well.
My favorite teacher dress code story involves a colleague (now a principal who offered me a slot in his district) who worked in a district with his wife. The rule was "no denim." His wife wore a beautiful tailored dress--she's a slim woman who looks great in anything--and, I'm not shitting you, got sent home to change. Their science teacher wore cheap, stained, double-knit pants, a "free Calley" t-shirt, and ratty sneakers almost every day and never once got called on it. 23727. arkymalarky - 3/5/2008 4:12:24 AM And you're right, Jen, but I absolutely cannot stand an administrator who doesn't have the guts to go to teachers individually and deal with any unprofessional behavior. I highly resent rules imposed on the rest of us to deal with idiots that administrators don't have the balls to deal with one-on-one. 23728. arkymalarky - 3/5/2008 4:18:15 AM My own principal doesn't fall into that category, btw, because she's very consistent about her own view of what a dress code should be. But the reason I haven't squawked about it is because the teachers voted on it. I voted against it, and I lost, fair and square. 23729. Jenerator - 3/5/2008 4:42:32 AM I'm with you, Arky! 23730. Jenerator - 3/5/2008 4:43:10 AM In this district, if we want to wear jeans, we can only do so on special days (3 max), and we have to make a donation to the March of Dimes. 23731. arkymalarky - 3/5/2008 5:33:09 AM Oh wow, compulsive charity. Your situation is a lot different, too, because it's not rural. There's a whole lot of variety in dress code for kids and teachers. I don't know of any rural districts that have gone to uniforms or standard dress for kids. But we're also more prone to jerk kids up for coverage--in fact, for a long time they couldn't even wear sleeveless--and we either put ugly xxl t-shirts over their clothes or call their parents and make them send more clothes or send the kid to ISS. And our principal says sagging is indecent exposure and she has had the deputy (not that big a deal, since he's around a lot) call kids down on that at school. Some districts I know have rope they make the kids tie up as belts or suspenders. Rural folks apparently don't mind casual, but they can't stand anything revealed, even shoulders or jockey shorts. 23732. thoughtful - 3/5/2008 3:28:23 PM J@h, yes it's the stuff on a brush. I find it's fussier than the powdered foundation I was wearing, but I find it makes my skin look a lot fresher and more natural. Still it takes less time than the liquid foundation followed by powder that I used to do in the old days.
I refused to do bare escentuals because they lock you into the auto delivery stuff which I hate. I've since found the regular cosmetics are carrying mineral stuff now. The one I got is from L'Oreal and is very nice.
What lipstick brand do you use? I'm terrible about reapplying mine during the day and could use one that lasts. 23733. thoughtful - 3/5/2008 4:32:13 PM Arky, I iron, but not often. Depends on how wrinkled the shirts come out of the dryer and how much time I have in the am.
I remember when we were first married and hubby expected me to iron, fold and bag his shirts. I laughed heartily and said, here, let me show you how to iron a shirt. He's been doing his own ever since, and when i'm really short on time, he'll even iron one for me, though he complains about pleats and darts and such in women's clothing.
But I swear I have some old shirts...I mean really old shirts...from 1970s that feel like cotton shirt material, are very comfortable to wear...not polyester or anything harsh or unbreathable like that...wear like crazy and never ever need ironing. If they could make the fabric back then, why on earth can't they make it now! 23734. judithathome - 3/5/2008 5:17:02 PM You don't have to be locked into that delivery system for BEs...just cancel it. I did that for a bit and finally told them to cancel it altogether. You can order the BEs online and here, they even sell them OTC at Ulta....from which you can also order on line. I've tried other, less costly brands and find the BEs to be the best.
I'm using Revlon Colorstay Overtime liquid in a tube with liquid gloss in the other end right now...it's the best of all that I've tried. Second choice would be Almay (same type). What I do is apply the color and immediately after, the gloss. After a minute or two, I blot once. That keeps it supple and it lasts until I forcibly remove at night with a smear of baby oil. The directions say to wait to apply the gloss and to leave it on but I've found my method works better even though it stains the brush in the gloss tube. For some reason, waiting until it dries to apply the gloss leaves your lips more dried out later on. And I've never cared for that goopy, gleaming-like-a-wet-otter look that the gloss gives. By blotting, you get the benefit without the wet look.
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