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29589. arkymalarky - 7/1/2015 3:46:56 PM Omg. I can't believe what you just said. Exhibit a why affirmative action action is still necessary: someone who takes a few anecdotes and uses them as evidence to say it's so far past the racial era that white people want to be black!
As a white person who actually lives and works in an integrated area and has for about 35 years, take my word for it. It's still necessary. 29590. judithathome - 7/1/2015 5:25:31 PM I'd like to see ONE more instance of people "self-tanning"
to get the benefits of being black.
What benefits would those be, exactly? The privilege of being shot first by police?
29591. Trillium - 7/1/2015 9:43:29 PM Arky, "Omg" is excessively dramatic when someone disagrees with you. And, I also live and work in integrated areas, and have known for years how people are using vague (and sometimes false) ancestral linkages for financial and professional advantage. Some of it was reasonable, for a time. In 2015, the race card has passed a point where I find it smarmy, fake, silly, and frankly dishonest. There are plenty of able people who can rely on abilities alone, and everyone else can leave off with the irrelevant ethnic pretensions.
Naive "reporting" enables fraud. Did you even read the Shaun King link? It appears that, like Dolezal, King has been faking hate crimes along with a lot of other personal history. That doesn't bother you? Really?
29592. arkymalarky - 7/1/2015 11:01:57 PM Charles Manson bothers me. What the hell does that have to do with anything? OMG was not the first abbreviation that came to my mind but it was the most polite. I don't know what you think you're trying to prove, but what you're reflecting in your posts is not what I think you were trying to reflect. At least I certainly hope not. 29593. arkymalarky - 7/1/2015 11:06:08 PM What bothers me a lot more is the pattern of "I'm not racist" racism that I see all too frequently among white people. Seeing that IRL makes me very tuned in to how much affirmative action is still necessary. Studies that reflect how people are treated based on applications which indicate that the people behind the names might not be white Support my broad observations. But why look at studies and patterns when you can look at individual instances and gasp and sigh about them and try to use them to shore up the obviously false argument that all is equal in this country? 29594. arkymalarky - 7/2/2015 1:43:29 AM renewsit
A bit of context on the source of Trillium's link. Google Vicki Pate to find more.
29595. Trillium - 7/2/2015 5:18:45 AM Arky, you wrote this: "Charles Manson bothers me. What the hell does that have to do with anything?" Manson should bother you, he was apparently interested in starting some kind of a race war (along with breaking into homes and murdering random strangers.)
Inciting for race wars should bother you. Why the hell not? Fictional hate crime accusations are criminally irresponsible and contribute to getting innocent people hurt or killed. 29596. arkymalarky - 7/2/2015 5:38:28 AM Individual nuts are one thing. Systemic, institutional racism and patterns of discrimination are another. Anyone who looks at the background of your link knows anything necessary to draw a conclusion wrt your pov. I'm done. 29597. Trillium - 7/2/2015 6:51:56 AM What is now happening is reinforcement of systemic, institutional racism. It is time to level the playing field -- same rules for all. Incentives are encouraging people to use ethnic falsehoods and accusations for advantage. I disapprove. Integrity is important. While lying will go on forever because we don't live in an ideal world, lying shouldn't be the custom, expected, acceptable, excused -- especially when that lying incites hatred, distrust, and results in violence.
I am not going to agree with Arky, or Judith, or Alistair. And I'm equally done with this topic after contradicting POVs I find irresponsible. 29598. arkymalarky - 7/2/2015 3:22:56 PM I encourage anyone following this to look at the link I posted. 29599. Trillium - 7/2/2015 3:48:23 PM I would encourage the same, and don't stop at that link (which makes charges regarding a renowned activist that have not been refuted here). Read widely. Raise your awareness about "racial identity" issues and the flurry of false accusations/ hatemongering that are emanating from people with fictional identities who hate themselves. It's pathological.
And while we're at it, here's one about Native American poseurs from Salon:
"An artist and a scholar are both under fire for claiming to be Native American, which furthered their careers" by Mary Elizabeth Williams
29600. judithathome - 7/2/2015 7:58:45 PM Incentives are encouraging people to use ethnic falsehoods and accusations for advantage.
Thus far, I can't see that you have proved that.
I am not going to agree with Arky, or Judith, or Alistair.
Frankly, I don't give a shit if you agree with me or not...in fact, I'd be upset if you did. I think you've shown exactly what you believe and as much as you wouldn't deign to agree with ME, that is how much I would be embarrassed to have you do so. 29601. wabbit - 7/2/2015 8:11:09 PM fixed? 29602. judithathome - 7/2/2015 8:44:52 PM Yes...if you mean the margins. 29603. iiibbb - 7/3/2015 2:39:44 AM Scalia'a argument was awful and wrong.
29604. arkymalarky - 7/3/2015 4:15:05 AM I always thought he was obnoxious and outrageous, but he's gone so far around the bend it's disturbing. 29605. judithathome - 7/3/2015 7:08:41 PM Wondering if senility is setting in.... 29606. iiibbb - 7/4/2015 1:44:05 AM Probably is now 29607. Trillium - 7/4/2015 12:56:50 PM Scalia's dissent includes some unusual viewpoints not often voiced.
Then again, that's what dissent is about, though it's shocking for people not used to being contradicted.
Scalia: The Supreme Court is a Threat to Democracy
"Scalia claimed that legalizing gay marriage was a policy decision — not one that the court should decide.
"Until the courts put a stop to it, public debate over same-sex marriage displayed American democracy at its best," he wrote.
29608. Trillium - 7/4/2015 12:58:11 PM This made me laugh. I'm fairly open in my marital communications, but stepped back to wonder what I DON'T say. iiibbb had some posts about that very topic a while back.
"Expression, sure enough, is a freedom, but anyone in a long-lasting marriage will attest that that happy state constricts, rather than expands, what one can prudently say."
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf
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