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7058. arkymalarky - 5/5/2007 1:33:04 AM I never have worried much about any of that stuff, first because I was too thin and then because I was too busy; but now that I have a weight problem and time to think about it I want to make some changes, which (what I outlined earlier) aren't that drastic, but are very different from what I was doing. But I mainly want to make the changes because I'm sick of feeling like crap all the time. As it turns out, I'm hoping this thyroid medicine will help. I haven't noticed much difference since the first few days, which I guess were the "placebo effect," but I'll go in for an adjustment on the 14th. The doc told Bob when he went to see her last week that I probably wouldn't notice much difference with the first dosage. 7059. alistairConnor - 5/6/2007 11:54:57 AM Most of my vegetarian friends don't look younger, they just look tired and have unhealthy palors...plus their low fat diets make their faces look drawn.
Well, you're confusing vegetarianism with a dietary fad. Or rather, small sample size will lead to inaccurate conclusions. I certainly have never had a low-fat diet.
Heredity undoubtedly plays an important role in aging. Smoking and drinking too, though I persist in thinking that regular and reasonable quantities of wine is a plus, not a minus (and I can't get my head around the idea that an occasional nip of single malt whisky could possibly be bad for me).
Quite likely, this AGE stuff is more important than actual meat. Certainly, the stuff about the health benefits of cooking things at low temperatures and high moisture content is very well-known and I implicitly recognise the truth of it. I didn't know the scientific justification until now.
So : less fried liver, more steak & kidney pie? I can live with that. 7060. thoughtful - 5/6/2007 10:03:01 PM I wouldn't overdo the AGE stuff only because I've seen so many fads come and go in nutrition. My polish grandmother boiled almost everything and never grilled or blackened anything, but she died in her early 80s like many other women and suffered the last decade+ of her life as an insulin-dependent diabetic...no doubt related to her insistance on "a meal is not a meal without potatoes" lifestyle.
I agree with judithah that vegetarians i know are generally pallid in color and look 'weak'. They don't tend to look strong and muscular but thin and almost sickly. Of course, I need to qualify that by race. The Indians I know...our workplace has lots of them...who are vegetarian seem to do very well. They tend to look healthy and fit. That's one reason I think genetic/ethnic background has a lot to do with it. 7061. thoughtful - 5/6/2007 10:05:09 PM The other factor that we haven't brought up for which there is some new and exciting evidence, but for which there is nothing we can do now, has to do with the importance of good nutrition prenatal and early years of life. They attribute this to the stark differences, eg, in the size and health of people in their 20s during the civil war who suffered many of the diseases that now our common in people in their 80s. There was a NYT article about it several months back...i'll see if i can find it when I get a chance. 7062. judithathome - 5/8/2007 6:15:07 AM Well, you're confusing vegetarianism with a dietary fad.
No, I am not...these people have heen vegetarians for decades and they brought their children (all grown now) up that way, too. It isn't a fad with them.
And yes, I am judging this on a small sample of the several vegetarians I personally know but of that group, many have been doing this for years and some are more of the faddish bent. But they mostly all look unhealthy to me. 7063. wonkers2 - 5/9/2007 1:19:42 PM Johnson & Johnson and Amgen bribing doctors to prescribe their drugs 7064. clydefo - 5/9/2007 2:30:55 PM Apologies to fat folks
...The scientists summarized it in their paper: “The two major findings of this study were that there was a clear relation between the body-mass index of biologic parents and the weight class of adoptees, suggesting that genetic influences are important determinants of body fatness; and that there was no relation between the body-mass index of adoptive parents and the weight class of adoptees, suggesting that childhood family environment alone has little or no effect.”
In other words, being fat was an inherited condition... 7065. clydefo - 5/9/2007 2:34:52 PM Re: Vegetarian pallor.
They should spend a little bit more time in the sunshine. 7066. thoughtful - 5/9/2007 2:50:33 PM Clydefo, I saw that article. No doubt there is a genetic connection, but it's much more than that too. See statistics on obesity rates among children. Genetics don't morph in a generation.
% obese children ages 6-11 1960s-70s: 4%; 2001-04: 17.5%
And when you consider the number of overweight adults, many of which are still in the same cohort so there is no genetic difference:
% overweight ages 20-74: 1976-80: 47%; 2001-04: 66%
The lifestyle differences are easy to spot: amount of added sugars to food has skyrocketed; the portion sizes have skyrocketed.
Mean kilocalorie intake:
Men 1976-80=2439; 1999-02=2634
Women 1976-80=1542; 1999-02=1874
%kilocalories from carbohydrates:
Men 1976-80=42.6; 1999-02=48.9
Women 1976-80=45.4; 1999-02=51.57067. thoughtful - 5/9/2007 2:51:19 PM sorry i screwed up the link Let me try again
link 7068. judithathome - 5/9/2007 3:18:56 PM Clyde, one of them works in a nursery...she is in the sun, the brutal Texas sun, for much of the day. 7069. judithathome - 5/9/2007 3:27:54 PM Since my last colonoscopy (about 4 months ago), I have been eating oatmeal every moring and have gained 8 pounds. I have given up diet Coke totally and the rest of my diet was what I had been eating for the past few years. The oatmeal is the only change I have made in my diet, along with the lack of diet soda (which I quit three weeks ago).
So yesterday, I decided to try the Atkin's Diet...lean meats and a big salad last night for dinner.
My weight difference is 2 1/2 pounds down from the day before. I think I'm going to stay on this for a week or two and see if that 8 pounds goes away.
I know people are supposed to be able to lose with fewer calories and a balanced diet of a range of foods but I really DO gain when I have more than 30 grams of carbs...I've proven it time after time.
So I'm going to incorporate more fiber-full veggies in my diet and what grains I do have will be few and far between...After I lose some weight, I might have oatmeal and very grainy bread once or twice a week but this everyday thing is not for me. 7070. thoughtful - 5/9/2007 3:37:20 PM J@h, are you putting anything on the oatmeal? Are you buying the packets of preflavored stuff or making it out of the can?
7071. judithathome - 5/9/2007 4:35:13 PM I'm making it from scratch... Silver Pallette brand plain oats that you cook. I like it chewy and don't cook it to death...and I put nothing on it but a little, very little, sea salt.
I can't bear sweet oatmeal...that stuff in packets is mainly sugar.
I could see gaining weight if I'd loaded it with sugar and cream or dried berries or whipped cream or maple syrup...but I ate it PLAIN. No frills at all. 7072. alistairconnor - 5/9/2007 4:41:39 PM Strange. Are oats really that full of carbs?
The answer is obvious really. What do you give a horse to give him an energy boost?
But surely no diet makes you lose 1 kg in 24 hours... that would have to be a pretty big serving of porridge! 7073. arkymalarky - 5/9/2007 10:20:11 PM Bob eats oatmeal usually twice a day, but he counted his overall carbs for at least a year after getting diabetes, and the oatmeal doesn't put him over their suggested limit. I guess different people are affected by different foods, but the oatmeal was a big key in his weight loss because he ate it for breakfast and a snack. Maybe it's causing you to retain water somehow.
I go in Monday to have my thyroid level checked. I'm hoping the next adjustment shows a difference, because after the first couple of days I feel basically like I did before. The doctor told me I wouldn't likely notice much difference in the first round, so I guess we'll see with the next one. 7074. clydefo - 5/10/2007 12:53:48 AM Consumer Reports Rates Popular Diet Plans
New diet winners
We rate the diet books and plans. Plus: 8 strategies that work
Americans don’t give up easily. Those hoping to lose weight have put a whole new crop of diet books on the best-seller list. The science-laden “You on a Diet,” the wine lover’s “Sonoma Diet,” the manly “Abs Diet,” and the kinder, gentler, Oprah Winfrey-endorsed “Best Life Diet” are just some of the recent titles.
We have rated those four and other popular diet books, based on our nutritional analysis and the critiques of a panel of diet experts. None of these books has yet been put to the acid test of a large clinical trial. Our analysis found that most provided good nutrition advice, but the panel perceived real differences in their quality of information. Some of the experts, for instance, thought that some nutritional theories in “UltraMetabolism” didn’t have solid science behind them.
We also have some new winners among diet plans that have been studied in clinical trials, reflecting data published since our 2005 diet Ratings. Our top-rated diet is “The Volumetrics Eating Plan” by Barbara Rolls, Ph.D., a professor in the department of nutritional sciences at The Pennsylvania State University.
Weight Watchers came in second, with Jenny Craig a very close third (see Diet plans, available to
subscribers)...
7075. thoughtful - 5/10/2007 2:36:51 PM The oatmeal must have to do with water retention. It takes 3,500 calories to lose a pound of fat. Rapid weight loss is really water weight loss. Oatmeal being bulky may have to do with the weight of the food in the gut, food transfer time and so on.
Hubby is very sensitive to salt. His weight will rise by 2-3 lbs if we've eaten ham or pizza. His weight will also rise by that much if we've eaten out. Of course, he's able to lose that in a couple of days by stopping the salty food and drinking lots of water. Me, I eat the same foods and my weight doesn't budge.
I know that when I was eating a lot of yogurt it seemed to make me bloat for some reason and when I stopped eating it, my belly went down noticeably. 7076. thoughtful - 5/10/2007 2:50:52 PM Arky, please be sure to get your numbers and the reference ranges on your blood work. Don't settle for "normal".
Reference ranges will vary by lab, but for instance, my latest were:
TSH 1.79 (0.4-5.5)
FT4 1.0 (0.8-1.8)
T3 120 (60-181)
I can see exactly where I am and what's normal for me. Not everyone is the same and the levels that are best for you are very individual. Knowing this will help you judge how your body is reacting to the supplements and help you adjust them to get you feeling your optimum.
Also, note that this lab is out of date on the TSH. Many labs have shifted the upper range lower as it is more in line with the general population. They are finding people with TSH over 4 are actually hypothyroid and often have symptoms related to it. Others go by the lab ranges but refer to the upper range as "subclinical hypothyroidism". Docs argue whether it should be treated or not. My take is go by how the patient feels. 7077. judithathome - 5/10/2007 4:04:06 PM I always drink a lot of water and possibly that was water weight...I weighed the same this morning so I'm almost sure it was. And since I don't add salt to anything except the oatmeal, it was probably just the change from that...although a few grains of salt is hardly overdoing it. I see people put so much salt on their food it looks like it's snowed on their plate.
Anyhow, yesterday for lunch I had grilled trout, a medly of broccoli, yellow squash, and baby zucchini and a side of steamed green beans, very skinny ones that were delicious. (I ordered them in place of rice pilaf.) I dont think a diet like that is going to kill me. ;-)
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