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47204. Ms. No - 10/29/2018 4:28:56 PM Looks like I'll be teaching the Pyramid of Hate this week.
Dirty, rotten, fuckers.
Yes, speech matters. 47205. arkymalarky - 11/7/2018 8:49:50 AM Hello you wonderful moties. Been staying off of here on purpose because I was too stressed about this election, so I've been working locally on registration get-out-the-vote Etc, and I've been helping my parents and traveling so I can see my grandson. But I am so relieved about the house. I hate that some races didn't go like I hoped they would but taking the house was the big thing and it happened and now I can sleep and move forward with my retired life. 47206. arkymalarky - 11/7/2018 8:52:51 AM And dem numbers look good even in places they lost compared to what they have been, even in a lot of red districts, and some really cool people have been elected even in Kansas and Oklahoma. Makes me feel positive looking at 2020 instead of dreading it. And the Senate map for Den's is a lot better in 2020. Course Arkansas sucks rocks and I was expecting that, but they did raise the minimum wage 47207. arkymalarky - 11/7/2018 10:06:56 PM Buckle up everybody. The cornered animal is in full Panic defense mode 47208. Ms. No - 11/9/2018 12:19:37 AM Yeah, we're seeing evidence of that already.
As I said before, I hope people are quietly keeping every speck of evidence they can find. Verifying, re-verifying, and documenting. So long as Trump is in office, he'll be a martyr no matter how he's removed -- ditto his cronies and the members of Congress who back him. Once he's out of office? Once there are people of conscience with power again? Go after every single one of those treasonous assholes.
47209. Ms. No - 11/15/2018 10:52:00 PM Whew! 47210. wabbit - 12/2/2018 3:58:54 PM RIP George HW Bush, 1924-2018 47211. winstonsmith - 12/4/2018 1:54:44 AM My 2020 prediction for the Dem ticket:
O’Rourke/Harris or Harris/O’Rourke 47212. winstonsmith - 12/4/2018 1:57:00 AM I didn’t like 41 when he was in office but he seems pretty awesome in comparison to Trump.
RIP H.W. 47213. Ms. No - 12/6/2018 8:29:35 PM I don't think O'Rourke could win --- and the GOP would mobilize against Harris almost as fiercely as they did against Hillary.
I'd love to think maybe Booker could run, but I think the black-lash will still be strong enough that he couldn't get elected.
People I absolutely do NOT want to see run:
Warren
Sanders
Clinton (I still think she'd make an excellent president, but I don't think she can win at this point.)
Not wild about Biden, but wouldn't hate him. I think he's kind of bland and too timid for my tastes, plus, he's not as progressive as I'd like, but I don't know if we could elect a true progressive. 47214. winstonsmith - 12/7/2018 4:02:54 AM I talk with my 18 year old kids about this and they like O’Rourke and Harris. They think Beto is barely progressive enough to satisfy Bernie/Warren supporters as well as being able to talk with people in small towns in Texas. They see him as Obama 2.0 in some ways. Harris they see as basically being ideologically similar to Clinton/Biden but more palatable because she’s younger and blacker. I don’t know if that pair could win the general election but I feel like they could do well in the he primary and would likely do better than someone like Warren in the general election 47215. Ms. No - 12/7/2018 6:42:29 PM I agree on all points ---- it's not that I wouldn't love to see an O'Rourke/Harris Administration, I just don't know that we can get there in 2020. Biden probably has the strongest chance against any GOP contender simply because he's old and white and male enough not to offend the more moderate wing of the Republican party (aka Independents)
Which is sort of snotty of me to say. I do believe that there are true Independents, but in my experience, they are most often right-leaning except on some social issues. I have a hard time distinguishing between them and Libertarians generally. 47216. arkymalarky - 12/7/2018 7:54:51 PM Great discussion. My pick as my personal favorite is Kamala Harris mainly because I want to see her shred Trump in the debates and reduce him to a puddling pile of Tears which is what will happen. I've watched her interrogate people in Congressional hearings and she's amazing. I just don't care for Cory Booker I think he's prone to Love the attention too much and I'm not sure what kind of policy ideas he would have and how effective he would be at getting things done.I tend to agree with Rachel Maddow about Amy Klobuchar. She could easily move to my favorite pick. I'm afraid Beto O'Rourke would not exhibit the kind of leadership and unflappable get it done that Obama had. The comparisons to a bomber app but more from the crowd standpoint from what I'm saying them from his management style which I didn't see it so I wonder about. 47217. arkymalarky - 12/7/2018 7:55:57 PM Got tired of proofreading my own text. Comparisons to Obama AR apt 47218. arkymalarky - 12/7/2018 7:56:11 PM are. dammit 47219. winstonsmith - 12/8/2018 2:49:50 AM Ms No, yeah, I live in one of the most progressive cities in the world so I am looking out from a bubble. I do try to take that fact into account though. My son and I have long discussions gaming out the scenarios and matchups of various candidates. The general election does seem to come down to the electoral college with the election turning on the results in a few states. One complex factor is how the Democratic primary will go. Groups of similar candidates can split the vote for that type of candidate (like Sanders and Warren) I think candidates that are able to stand out among a large field and garner votes across different cohorts of voters will have the best chance of winning. It will be a different mix of voters that the primary winner will have to face in the general though. Beto may not be all that strong in terms of actual preparation for the presidency but I wonder if his celebrity, likability and manufactured story could end up creating a kind of self fulfilling prophecy.
Arky, it would be really fun to see Harris debate Trump! I think Biden is the most qualified to be president but he is old and having been in politics forever has a number of cringey videos out there of him laying hands on young women (whether innocent or not) It will be really interesting to see how he fares as the primaries unfold. 47220. Ms. No - 12/10/2018 5:27:39 PM Winston --- yeah, I know all about living in the bubble. Having to explain to my students how Trump got elected when they don't know anyone who would support him is tough. It makes them feel even more as if their vote won't count.
Arky - who do you like for VP on a Harris ticket? I think she's a total badass, I just wonder if we could get her elected. 47221. Ms. No - 12/10/2018 5:29:20 PM If she were in the House instead of the Senate, she could be Speaker and then when Trump and Pence are removed from office she'd be president long enough to establish herself with the morons and then serve two terms of her own.
Ah, Monday morning fantasies! 47222. winstonsmith - 12/11/2018 7:13:38 PM Move On Straw Poll:
Someone else/DK/other: 28.8 percent
Beto O’Rourke: 15.6 percent
Joe Biden: 14.9 percent
Bernie Sanders: 13.1 percent
Kamala Harris: 10 percent
Elizabeth Warren: 6.4 percent
Sherrod Brown: 2.9 percent
Amy Klobuchar: 2.8 percent
Michael Bloomberg: 2.7 percent
Cory Booker: 2.6 percent
It's very early still but I imagine most of these folks will announce during the next month. 47223. Ms. No - 12/12/2018 2:04:47 AM I'm really, really bothered by the number of people backing Bernie Sanders. I feel like there's a lot of misogyny behind the Bernie Bros. Plus, the man will be 79 years old in 2020.
Biden will be 78 -- either of them being elected would put them at the oldest ever elected for a first term.
My thing with Bernie Sanders may be unfair, but I was so disgusted with his use of all the old Republican smears to campaign against Clinton while trying to pass himself off as the great, progressive (white) hope that I don't know if I could ever actively support him.
And all this nonsense with wanting his cake and eating it too --- he's an Independent/Democratic Socialist, but he'll claim he's a Democrat long enough to get the party nomination and then decline it so he can switch back to being an Independent --- thereby shutting out any committed Democrats who might otherwise have a chance. Then he wants to whine about how the DNC stole the nomination from him because they were biased in favor of an actual Democrat.
As far as I'm concerned, Bernie Sanders' job is to bring progressive views to the table and open the debate. It's a good and necessary thing, but it doesn't mean that a guy who has never passed any legislation or contributed significantly to the passage of any major legislation is any kind of progressive champion. He talks a lot, but ultimately he doesn't do much.
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