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10297. judithathome - 6/1/2012 11:16:58 PM Well, I have seen nothing that convinces me that the man is innocent. He could have defended himself without killing the kid, period.
Not to mention he had no business following him with a gun in the first place.
So you're saying the fact he lied to the judge and claimed to be destitute has no bearing on how you view his story?
Usually when a person lies to a judge it, at the very least, calls into question how truthful he is about other aspects of his story.
It does for me, anyhow. 10298. arkymalarky - 6/1/2012 11:21:25 PM Your assessment of the evidence is way different from mine. He was on the phone following Martin after being told not to. He shot and killed an unarmed teen whom he was pursuing without reason. Nothing would have happened had Zimmerman not acted improperly with an unarmed stranger. Whether people can justify helping his defense, people waste their money on all kinds of crap. But there's zero indication he needed monetary help with his defense. 10299. concerned - 6/1/2012 11:22:03 PM Not to mention he had no business following him with a gun in the first place.
Just curious, JAH -
If you were George Zimmerman, what would you have done with the gun?
And if Martin was on top of you beating you to a bloody pulp, please explain to us what you would have done to defend yourself. Nothing? I don't think so.
10300. arkymalarky - 6/1/2012 11:22:06 PM That was to vk 10301. arkymalarky - 6/1/2012 11:25:13 PM You must be kidding. If any of us were Zimmerman we wouldn't have done what he did from start to finish. What would you have done had you been Martin? Would Martin have been guilty had he killed Zimmerman? We're someone stalking my teen son with a gun I'd hope my son got the best of him whatever it took. 10302. judithathome - 6/1/2012 11:25:51 PM Con'd, what I would have done is what the 911 operator suggested I do...leave the kid alone.
That would have avoided the entire episode...he wouldn't have (allegedly) beaten me to a bloody pulp because I wouldn't have been following him with a concealed weapon in my possession. 10303. arkymalarky - 6/1/2012 11:25:55 PM We're someone stalking... 10304. arkymalarky - 6/1/2012 11:27:36 PM Dammit I HATE autocorrect!!
WERE 10305. concerned - 6/1/2012 11:29:58 PM So, let me get this straight - you're saying by the time Martin attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman had legally forfeited his right to self defense because he 'stalked' Martin longer than some specified length of time?
Is that what you're saying? 10306. arkymalarky - 6/1/2012 11:44:17 PM In a word? Yes!
You try to come at my home or my person as a dangerous aggressor with a loaded gun and in the course of defending myself I have the advantage I will do what it takes to remove the threat. By your actions you forfeited legal protection for "self-defense."
Do you mean to tell me you're one of those weak kneed liberals who thinks a burglar should be able to sue the homeowner for tripping over his carpet and breaking his nose? 10307. concerned - 6/1/2012 11:59:37 PM You sound close to supporting 'stand your groundism' in the case you propose for the homeowner, arky. 10308. vonKreedon - 6/2/2012 12:04:03 AM I agree that Zimmerman behaved badly up until the point that Martin apparently attacked him. Zimmerman should have stayed in his truck. If not, he should have approached Martin non-confrontationally, identified himself as the block watch captain and asked where he lived (I actually don't know if he did this or not, but there's no evidence that he did). But when Martin attacked him, assuming this based on the injuries to Zimmerman's face and head and to Martin's knuckles, at that point the responsibility becomes Martin's. Martin had time to walk to the apartment, but he did not, he turned back and apparently confronted Zimmerman and then started to beat him.
My beef is less and less with Zimmerman, but remains with the DA's initial refusal to investigate. 10309. vonKreedon - 6/2/2012 12:04:43 AM Ark - There's no evidence that Zimmerman displayed the gun prior to firing it in self-defense. 10310. concerned - 6/2/2012 12:20:31 AM We're someone stalking my teen son with a gun I'd hope my son got the best of him whatever it took.
I'm a believer in the saying: "Discretion is the better part of valor." here. 10311. arkymalarky - 6/2/2012 1:16:58 AM That doesn't matter, Vk. In fact, IMO that makes it way worse. Had he not wanted to kill the kid, displaying it would at least give the kid options with knowledge of what he was facing.
It's my opinion that people have an inherent right to be left alone. Zimmerman violated that most basic human right all violent criminals violate.
10312. arkymalarky - 6/2/2012 1:22:15 AM And Con'd, I'm not opposed to the principal of stand your ground ( castle rule wrt your home), but like most such laws it's impractically written and enforced. The female counterpart to Zimmerman in FL, for instance, sits in jail, tho evidence suggests she was in real danger of death had she not acted. 10313. arkymalarky - 6/2/2012 1:28:18 AM Zimmerman used his personal PayPal account to collect $200000 in donations then lied to the judge about it. His account(s) of what happened have no credence. Since the DA blew it wrt other evidence, Zimmerman
is in deep doodoo now, IMO, no matter how closely his story matches truth (which I still don't think it does, based on the tapes, discrepancies, etc). 10314. arkymalarky - 6/2/2012 1:28:22 AM Zimmerman used his personal PayPal account to collect $200000 in donations then lied to the judge about it. His account(s) of what happened have no credence. Since the DA blew it wrt other evidence, Zimmerman
is in deep doodoo now, IMO, no matter how closely his story matches truth (which I still don't think it does, based on the tapes, discrepancies, etc). 10315. judithathome - 6/2/2012 6:50:26 PM I agree that Zimmerman behaved badly up until the point that Martin apparently attacked him.
How do you know Martin "apparently" attacked him? He may have fought with him but this was after being stalked by Zimmerman and I doubt it was quietly, either...the man had a history of racist remarks. Possibly Zimmerman threw the first punch and Martin was only fighting back...no one ever answers me when I ask if MARTIN had a right to stand HIS ground.
You seem to be giving Zimmerman a lot of benefits of doubt and handing out "apparentlys" to Zimmerman left and right.
Zimmerman knew the police were on their way...any sane person would have stood down like the 911 operator told them to do. It wasn't a case of the kid breaking into Zimmerman's house...it was a case of the kid WALKING.
And you keep blaming the police for not investigating....that's something that needs looking into but we know for a fact that Zimmerman killed Martin...that is what is obvious and what needs to be sorted out now.
I think Zimmerman needs to go to jail. Period. He has shown himself to be untrustworthy since the killing and as a result, I don't believe a word he says now ABOUT the killing.
And by the way, the funeral home director said Martin had no marks on his hands. Of course, this is just a man that has worked in the funeral business most of his life so how would HE know.....
10316. judithathome - 6/2/2012 6:51:10 PM
crap...the one time I don't preview....
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