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10405. judithathome - 7/25/2012 7:41:04 PM American socialist salutes? Are you serious?
Where do you think the American socialists GOT those salutes? 10406. vonKreedon - 7/25/2012 7:54:01 PM 
So were the Nazis Hindu? Are the Hindu's Nazis? Is the Hindu religion inherently communist? I'm so confused.
10407. Wombat - 7/25/2012 8:19:50 PM It's Concerned's unified theory of politico-religious affiliation. All religions/ideologies are "leftist" except for his...
Waiting for an answer to my question about sourcing. Don't make me do the research for you... 10408. vonKreedon - 7/25/2012 8:26:17 PM Yeah, the Russian Imperial Eagle does seem an unlikely choice for Leninist money. 10409. concerned - 7/26/2012 7:11:32 PM RE. 10404 -
I've already sourced this information in this forum in the past, perhaps multiple times so.
And of course, Occam's Razor says it's vanishingly improbable to be coincidence that the German National Socialists adopted both the American Socialist Party salute AND the provisional Soviet Government's swastika. 10410. concerned - 7/26/2012 7:12:59 PM Re. 10408 -
It has been definitively established that scrip showing both the swastika and the Russian Imperial eagle was never issued while the Czars were in power. 10411. concerned - 7/26/2012 7:13:52 PM HE DID, dipshit...what do you think "dead or alive!" meant?
'Alive' is not assassination, regardless of what you think.
10412. concerned - 7/26/2012 7:27:48 PM There's nothing right wing about the Nazis - in fact the Nazi Party was popular among Leftists internationally during the 1930's until Germany began its military aggression. And who doesn't recall a well regarded (by Lefties) poster in the Mote who thought fascism was still a pretty a good idea a few years back? Then we have 0bama with his distinctly fascist Big Brother ideas. Face it. The Left owns fascism.
Note to Lefties: You can't get away with arbitrarily embracing Naziism as being part of your ideological brotherhood and then turn on a dime and assign them as 'right wing' (when they, btw, have none of the right wing's characteristics) simply because you decide you don't like them any more. Sheesh. 10413. concerned - 7/26/2012 7:37:28 PM Where do you think the American socialists GOT those salutes?
From a Socialist, Francis Bellamy, in 1892, who recommended it for US school children. You could have looked this up yourself, you know, rather than asking such an ignorant question.
10414. Wombat - 7/26/2012 8:11:50 PM So I guess Concerned will no longer be saying the Pledge of Allegiance, since Bellamy also wrote that. Darned Socialist... 10415. Wombat - 7/26/2012 8:20:06 PM If the neonazi and holocaust-denying web-site where I found the currency is to be believed, the scrip was issued after the Czar abdicated but before the October Revolution. You do know there were two revolutions in Russia, Concerned?
Also, I must say that using a neonazi and holocaust-denying web site as a source for anything having to do the Nazis and their relationship to socialism is a new low for you, Concerned. 10416. judithathome - 7/26/2012 8:36:43 PM You could have looked this up yourself, you know, rather than asking such an ignorant question.
And you might have noticed that your guy was the same one who wrote the Pledge.
Ignorant is as ignorant does, buddyboy.
10417. Wombat - 7/26/2012 9:04:30 PM According to the Wikipedia, the origins of the umm... "socialist" salute may go as far back as Rome, but its first recorded use was during the French Revolution.
Concerned, when you get up every morning, do you look in the mirror and ask yourself "how am I going to demonstrate my profound ignorance and stupidity today?" 10418. vonKreedon - 7/26/2012 9:13:42 PM Bellamy didn't really write the pledge, I mean his version didn't even have "under God" in it. Damned Socialist... 10419. Wombat - 7/26/2012 9:32:52 PM Here's the web-site which Concerned appears to have used as his authority on the relationship between Nazis and Socialists. You might need to fumigate your computer afterwards...
http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com 10420. concerned - 7/26/2012 9:34:39 PM And you might have noticed that your guy was the same one who wrote the Pledge.
That's an irrelevancy wrt my point, so I didn't want to confuse small minds with it.
10421. concerned - 7/26/2012 9:35:21 PM Re. 10419 -
Facts are inconvenient things, sometimes. 10422. concerned - 7/26/2012 9:37:05 PM re. 10418 -
Bellamy wanted his pledge to have international application, so there was no reference to the USA in it either - as a good Socialist he wanted to encourage nationalism which nurtures socialism. 10423. concerned - 7/26/2012 9:39:01 PM Re. 10419 -
Actually, I *didn't* look at that site this time around, although I'm pretty sure I've seen it sometime in the past. 10424. Wombat - 7/26/2012 10:02:51 PM Concerned, if Bellamy was a "nationalist," he would have made reference to the United States in his version of the pledge. You do know what nationalism is, don't you? Or are you getting it mixed up with "internationalism," which is its opposite?
Facts from a web-site that is attempting to justify Nazi-ism by saying it is similar to other forms of government are to be taken with a major grain of salt, as anyone with the ability to reason critically will tell you. Apparently you are unable to discern this, which doesn't say much for your ability to think critically, and demonstrates that your intellectual capital is running a rather severe deficit.
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