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10614. iiibbb - 1/15/2013 5:51:53 PM However, at the end of the day this is more an inconvenience than anything. I have an affinity for less dramatic weapons. The one I will regret "losing" is my Glock, which will have to reside out of state until such time that I can regain possession of it.
At the end of the day I do think this is a state issue over a federal one... so I'll live with it. I can probably use it as an opportunity to get a couple of guns I've wanted by getting rid of a few I have been looking to get rid of. 10615. iiibbb - 1/16/2013 7:10:16 AM I'll tell you one thing. Cuomo has his eyes on the presidency. I'm telling you now that I would never vote for anyone who pulled a ramrod job like this on people.
The GOP would have to run someone Palinesque to get me to vote for Cuomo now. 10616. thoughtful - 1/16/2013 4:44:43 PM So many people are supporting gun control because they think it will be effective in preventing another sandy hook....it won't. Even if not a single additional gun was sold, there are still 300 million of them out there. Another nut will just use an older gun.
We need to improve our mental health system and we need to stop glorifying killing and inuring our youth to a death culture. (Stats are an 18 year old has seen an average 200,000 acts of violence in the media/video games.) We need to instead make empathy and compassion laudable efforts. We need to honor the intelligent over the brutal.
I don't know how to do that except one person at a time. That's how we've fought racism and sexism and sexual orientation bias. We need to fund mental health. We need to change our approach to the drug war.
But all of that is hard...much harder than saying, no more ammo clips over 7 or 10 or whatever.... 10617. arkymalarky - 1/16/2013 5:00:29 PM You have to do both, and opposing any gun regulation at all is not helping the NRA's cause. And the video games/ violent TV movies, music, etc, doesn't fly, statistically or otherwise. Attacking the first amendment to prevent any regulation of the second in light of this country's gun proliferation isn't going to cut it.
And now the NRA is focusing on Obama's children. BIG mistake. It's like they want to align with the fringe. 10618. Wombat - 1/16/2013 6:32:46 PM Thoughtful's argument rests on at least one assumption that is not as strong as it appears, namely the number of firearms that are out there. How many of the oft-quoted 300 million firearms are actually avalable for misuse? I also find it ironic that the pro-gun right has appropriated a liberal shibboleth (violent films and games) as an attempt to hinder limits to gunowners.
Here's an alternative campaign: In addition to licensing and tracking firearms, treat firearms like tobacco products: regulate them, tax them, study their effect from a public health standpoint (and also subject pro-gun claims to rigorous analysis), and publicize the findings. 10619. iiibbb - 1/17/2013 12:20:51 AM All I can say is that the obstinance of Republicans toward climate change, gay marriage, etc.... have made them so unpalatable, the rights they care about are being eroded.
Fucking morons. 10620. iiibbb - 1/17/2013 12:38:56 AM Fix the f-ing budget.
What is upsetting to me is that the Democrats have cast aside their mandate to go on this gun control excursion.
Fix the f-ing budget.
Our next president is going to be a damn Republican because of this crap. It's going to be 1994 all over again. 10621. Wombat - 1/17/2013 12:58:04 AM I don't think the "gun-control excursion" is going to cost them many votes that they haven't already lost. It's another avenue along which the crazification of the Republican party can proceed. The debt limit looms, with the Republicans either abandoning their insanity to raise it or--if possible--become even crazier. The budget battle--or continuing resolution--will follow. Care to bet on how that is going to turn out? 10622. judithathome - 1/17/2013 1:38:24 AM Rush Effin' Limbaugh 10623. iiibbb - 1/17/2013 2:33:30 AM If President Palin is elected I'm never voting again. No party is moderate. 10624. robertjayb - 1/17/2013 2:52:24 AM The science of rampage violence
The Houston Chronicle's Sci/Guy has this useful piece 10625. Wombat - 1/17/2013 5:15:20 PM Palin has as much chance of getting elected as I do. 10626. iiibbb - 1/17/2013 5:59:50 PM Palin has as much chance of being elected as Cuomo... 10627. Wombat - 1/17/2013 6:53:19 PM The only way Palin and Cuomo are comparable is that they are both human and are/were governors. 10628. iiibbb - 1/17/2013 7:46:14 PM and they are as likely to get my vote. 10629. judithathome - 1/17/2013 8:18:55 PM Sarah Palin is a buffoon...she in no way will ever be elected to any office in this country.
Maybe she'll get whatever awards they give out for exercise videos...I hear she's making one.
How the mighty (in their own heads) have fallen! 10630. alistairconnor - 1/18/2013 6:23:01 PM Tful : We need to instead make empathy and compassion laudable efforts. We need to honor the intelligent over the brutal.
I don't know how to do that except one person at a time. That's how we've fought racism and sexism and sexual orientation bias.
Yes and no. Racism and sexism and sexual orientation bias were fought through social engineering. You decide, top-down, that people's attitudes need to change, and you do that through the education system, and through the media, and over time, it becomes not-OK for people to express the attitudes we're trying to change. People who still have those attitudes have to keep quiet about them, at least in public. And after a generation or so, those negative attitudes are durably weakened by the emergence of younger people who are less tainted.
So that needs to be done with respect to gun violence. Glorifying the gun culture in public needs to stop, it needs to be made uncool, out of bounds. Just like racism, sexism, homophobia. 10631. judithathome - 1/18/2013 10:14:48 PM Remember the last public shooting in the MidEast...some radical nation with hot-headed militants march a dozen people out into the town square and murder them?
We, as a nation, are appalled and horrified and we carry on with condemnation and voice our opinions about how barbaric a country that one is.
Well, so is THIS one...we just do our executions in homes and schools and theatres.
It's expected of renegade countries with no leadership and mayhem ruling the day. However, the USA is a civilized country that seems to be just hunky-dorey with arming everyone just in case the government decides to round us all up and what? Shoot us in the town square? We're letting the tyrany of the few rule the many, just like radical, "uncivilized" countries. 10632. iiibbb - 1/20/2013 12:48:56 AM One of my regrets is that I never gave Clinton enough credit as a president 10633. judithathome - 1/22/2013 6:59:11 PM Akistair, I agree with you on everything you said in post #10630.
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