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10647. iiibbb - 2/4/2013 2:13:16 AM So then I guess you're similarly unimpressed with Feinstein's proposal? Because that would do even less than my proposal right; or do you fall in the "we have to do something camp"?
I actually don't think you fall in that camp. You've been pretty consistent that you want to limit guns beyond current gun control proposals; you are actually better informed than the vast preponderance of gun control advocates... but it is ironic that you also see how ludicrous what a half-measures delivers.
I'm not scared of anything. I've lived in places where I've been more alert because it was hard to ignore the kind of things that happened all the time around there.
Gun control is an impossible issue ... like abordtion. 10648. arkymalarky - 2/4/2013 2:23:03 AM But abortions have been regulated all the while the right to one was protected. People won't be happy on either side, but that's the way it is. I think they'll at least expand background checks and close loopholes and maybe limit magazine size. 10649. iiibbb - 2/4/2013 3:52:12 AM I doubt any abortion prohibitionist is very satisfied with its level of regulation, hence, the issue is impossible 10650. arkymalarky - 2/4/2013 3:54:03 AM Right. But regulation happens despite the intransigence of either side. I think it will here as we'll. 10651. iiibbb - 2/4/2013 4:14:54 AM The irony is the changes in gun laws is that I will sell 3 to buy 3 in order to minimize the bureaucratic annoyances for me. That's 3 more out there thanks to Cuomo 10652. judithathome - 2/4/2013 1:37:18 PM Listen, I am so unafraid of what is lurking out there that should a horde of thugs come through my front door...which they could do at any time since I never lock it...I would not only NOT shoot them, I would offer them bags in which to take my loot away. 10653. thoughtful - 2/4/2013 6:13:58 PM J@h, that would be nice if the thugs only wanted your possessions but often they want more than that...just ask Mr. Petit how much he lost to thugs. 10654. judithathome - 2/4/2013 9:20:00 PM Coming home from the hospital today, a truck in front of us lost a huge container out his truckbed and it blew right onto our car, bounced in front of us, and Keoni nearly lost control of the car trying to avoid it...we could have been killed passively.
It's dangerous everywhere...am I going to stop riding in my car? No. 10655. Wombat - 2/5/2013 4:52:31 AM Richard III's skeleton identified. He appeared to have scoliosis, not kyphosis. "Crooked back Dick," yes, but not hunchbacked. Sorry, Shakespeare. 10656. thoughtful - 2/5/2013 3:13:41 PM No you won't stop riding in your car, but you probably don't drive with bald tires....you do things to mitigate risk.
I feel safer having access to an equalizer. For me, it mitigates risk.
Saw Bob Costas on the Daily Show talking about the gun culture in this society and how it needs to change...I agree. We need a MADD for gun violence...we need to stop glorifying weaponry and violence and start glorifying education and compassion.
Neighbor of mine has a daughter who is going to school in OH and as part of her training, she's required to go into an inner city elementary school. She was told, under no circumstances was she to leave the classroom without an armed guard to escort her. Yes, an elementary school. 10657. thoughtful - 2/5/2013 3:22:18 PM But there's little chance of reasoned discussion when you have nut cases like these guys running around...talk about a need for education!
Sandy Hook Hoax Theorists 10658. iiibbb - 2/5/2013 4:17:21 PM That Costas interview was flawed. He's evaluating professional athletes. A group that has probably been coddled since they were in junior high school, and surely have questionable maturity and street smarts.
What he described has nothing to do with the gun culture that I am familiar with.
But we teach sex-ed in schools... we should teach some level of gun safety at least. 10659. judithathome - 2/6/2013 1:04:41 AM Seriously? You don't think we should teach that a gun is not the answer to all problems?
How did it come to this in my country? How did guns become the ne plus ultra answer to everything?
10660. arkymalarky - 2/6/2013 1:25:36 AM Gotta agree with 3i here. Lots of kids hunt and encounter guns whether in their home or not. We've always offered gun safety training at schools where I've taught. If they're around hunting or at home or go places where there could be guns they need to know about safety. The gun deaths in this area are almost all preventable accidents from hunting or careless handling. A good friend of mine's brother killed another brother that way when they were kids. Yes their dad was an idiot who left a loaded gun where his kids could get it, but I think everyone needs to know ibasic gun safety whether or not they own guns or shoot them. 10661. iiibbb - 2/6/2013 5:26:29 PM Judith... I would make "a gun is not the answer to all problems" part of the safety curriculum. 10662. iiibbb - 2/6/2013 5:32:01 PM It is amazing to me the people I'm presently debating with who don't even know the 3 basic safety rules.
They make these suggestions they think are perfectly reasonable, but violate long-standing safety protocols... one guy just proposed a lock to put in the end of the barrel.... seriously.
It is hard to talk to people like that.
I have have witnessed 5 negligent discharges in my life; 4 by reasonably safe people, one by a beginner. In all cases they were following the rules (except for the finger on the trigger part), but they were following the other rules--- pointing in a safe direction, treating it as it were loaded. So no one was hurt.
I don't know... gun safety in school is probably as likely to prevent gun tragedies as sex ed is to prevent STD's and pregnancies. 10663. thoughtful - 2/6/2013 8:47:53 PM How much anti gun education will be required to offset the bombardment of stuff like this....and mind you this preview is approved for all ages....that the average child receives during the formative years of his life. The average 7 year old today will have already spent a year of his life in front of a screen.
Bullet to the Brain 10664. judithathome - 2/6/2013 11:20:20 PM Reminds me of the article that said an innocuous movie trailer for...I forget the movie title...was shown prior to the release of a movie and business was slow the first week..until they showed the trailer with an off-screen gunshot at the end and business for the movie doubled immediately...there was no gun shot in the movie at all. 10665. judithathome - 2/6/2013 11:22:19 PM We as a country have a very large appetite for violence.
And yet, what do the do-gooders carp about most? Sex-ed in schools...can't have that! They might become curious about sex and lord knows, we can't have THAT! 10666. robertjayb - 2/8/2013 4:28:34 PM The more things change...
Cleaning out an old tool box I found a yellowed and grease-stained fragment from the now-defunct Houston Post of March 6, 1979. In a Doonesbury cartoon Duke is speaking on behalf of the NRA:
"and it is the position of the National Rifle Association that when it comes to arbitrary social controls, more is less! What is needed instead is a sense of restraint and fair play. If our once proud schools were to resume the teaching of...
From audience: Excuse me, Mr. Duke...
I want to get this straight, is it actually your view that the answer to rising handgun violence is a renewed emphasis on sportsmanship?
Duke: Exactly. We advocate a return to responsible gunplay.
Audience: In our once proud schools?
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