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10661. iiibbb - 2/6/2013 5:26:29 PM Judith... I would make "a gun is not the answer to all problems" part of the safety curriculum. 10662. iiibbb - 2/6/2013 5:32:01 PM It is amazing to me the people I'm presently debating with who don't even know the 3 basic safety rules.
They make these suggestions they think are perfectly reasonable, but violate long-standing safety protocols... one guy just proposed a lock to put in the end of the barrel.... seriously.
It is hard to talk to people like that.
I have have witnessed 5 negligent discharges in my life; 4 by reasonably safe people, one by a beginner. In all cases they were following the rules (except for the finger on the trigger part), but they were following the other rules--- pointing in a safe direction, treating it as it were loaded. So no one was hurt.
I don't know... gun safety in school is probably as likely to prevent gun tragedies as sex ed is to prevent STD's and pregnancies. 10663. thoughtful - 2/6/2013 8:47:53 PM How much anti gun education will be required to offset the bombardment of stuff like this....and mind you this preview is approved for all ages....that the average child receives during the formative years of his life. The average 7 year old today will have already spent a year of his life in front of a screen.
Bullet to the Brain 10664. judithathome - 2/6/2013 11:20:20 PM Reminds me of the article that said an innocuous movie trailer for...I forget the movie title...was shown prior to the release of a movie and business was slow the first week..until they showed the trailer with an off-screen gunshot at the end and business for the movie doubled immediately...there was no gun shot in the movie at all. 10665. judithathome - 2/6/2013 11:22:19 PM We as a country have a very large appetite for violence.
And yet, what do the do-gooders carp about most? Sex-ed in schools...can't have that! They might become curious about sex and lord knows, we can't have THAT! 10666. robertjayb - 2/8/2013 4:28:34 PM The more things change...
Cleaning out an old tool box I found a yellowed and grease-stained fragment from the now-defunct Houston Post of March 6, 1979. In a Doonesbury cartoon Duke is speaking on behalf of the NRA:
"and it is the position of the National Rifle Association that when it comes to arbitrary social controls, more is less! What is needed instead is a sense of restraint and fair play. If our once proud schools were to resume the teaching of...
From audience: Excuse me, Mr. Duke...
I want to get this straight, is it actually your view that the answer to rising handgun violence is a renewed emphasis on sportsmanship?
Duke: Exactly. We advocate a return to responsible gunplay.
Audience: In our once proud schools? 10667. ricknelson - 2/10/2013 4:39:02 PM "gōng xǐ fā cái"
Celebrated with friends and my family last night. The eve celebration was awesome. The host family graciously celebrated with an appearance of the Lion Dance. Everyone was happy, ate very well and sought total enjoyment for the evening.
All the kids received " 'ang pow' " little red envelopes with money. 10668. iiibbb - 2/10/2013 5:14:56 PM I just moved to New York. I've been here 6 months. I finally got to take the handgun safety class that is required to get a permit. Right now the wait period to get an appointment to review your materials is over 12 months. After that the wait to process those materials and actually get the permit is over 6 months.
So I'm going have been here 2 years by the time I can move my handguns here legally.
How many handguns do you think will enter the state in that time?
Does this seem like reasonable gun control? 10669. arkymalarky - 2/10/2013 6:20:12 PM Sounds wonderful Rick!! 10670. arkymalarky - 2/10/2013 6:20:13 PM Sounds wonderful Rick!! 10671. alistairconnor - 2/13/2013 6:52:35 PM Sounds wonderful Rick!
Sounds wonderful iiibbb! ;) 10672. Ms. No - 2/13/2013 7:37:01 PM i3b3,
No, it sounds ridiculous. The focus needs to be on corrupt manufacturers. There was a piece on NPR some six or seven YEARS ago, where they were pointing out that 90% of all illegal/crime guns can be traced back to about 10% of the manufacturers. Shut down those guys, or regulate those guys, and the gun problems go way down -- WITHOUT infringing on the rights of responsible gun owners.
Of course, the NRA is funded by and run for those very manufacturers who have discovered that using nut-bags like Heston and Nugent as the face of the NRA keeps the focus on individual gun owners rather than on mass producers and their profit margins.
So long as the NRA can keep the fighting focused between citizens nobody has time or inclination to look at the real culprits. 10673. iiibbb - 2/13/2013 8:34:14 PM The most recent debate has changed my viewpoints a little. I don't know why the most vocal advocates (and I think this is largely because the press chooses these idiots) is the notion that we are defending the country as part of the militia.
Okay.
I think the government has the prerogative to define the arms that may be held by militia members (in this case the so called "unorganized" militia). But here is the rub. I think the police should be held to the same restrictions (or at the very least standard patrol officers should be limited). So if officers patrol with a Glock with 17 rounds and an AR=15 and/or shotgun in the trunk, then I should be able to defend my home with the same thing.
I've got no problem with licensing for "official" militia membership. But that license should allow me to at least possess the arms outside of my home state in accordance with the laws of the state I visit... but at a minimum I should be able to possess them.
I've got no problem with a limit on the size of one's arsenal. Limit me to two or three defensive handgun per household, or an AR-15 per militia member per household. That's fine. If people want to have more, they can apply for some sort of waiver and register themselves in some other way.
Hunting arms would be exempt. So technically if you object to being on the government's radar with regards to arms, you are still afforded a means to protect yourself without being registered.
I find that neither side is amenable to these ideas, so I know I'm on the right track.
It accommodates everyone. It limits the proliferation of weapons, it permits self defense, it better defines militia membership. 10674. Wombat - 2/13/2013 9:49:59 PM "Unorganized Militia?" Elucidate. 10675. iiibbb - 2/13/2013 9:59:00 PM US Code section 311
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
10676. iiibbb - 2/13/2013 9:59:37 PM (2) = the police and citizens. 10677. iiibbb - 2/13/2013 10:08:26 PM restating "It accommodates everyone. It limits the proliferation of weapons, it permits self defense, it better defines militia membership."
It accommodates everyone. It limits the proliferation of weapons, it permits self defense, it actually regulates militia membership.
on a sidebar... once a weapon platform or class is approved as a militia weapon, it stays approved for at least 25 years (which would prevent people from having to continuously reinvest if there is a change).
Also, militia members would have to show up at least once a year to some sort of formal firearms training/practice. Pretty loose on this... a safety class, a competition like IDPA, IPSC, or CMP. 10678. iiibbb - 2/13/2013 10:12:54 PM There is a big carrot in there in terms of the reciprocity being tied to it... but people have to pare down their weapons... or they keep their weapons but they don't get the carrot.
I want the carrot. Less so because I want to be able to carry a firearm anywhere I go, but because I only want to be subject to one set of rules. For me one of the most frustrating aspects of firearm possession is that the rules can change on you just by crossing an invisible border: state/state, county/county, county/municipality.
I'd also be fine with metropolises (like NYC) having special rules. 10679. iiibbb - 2/13/2013 10:13:20 PM but there would have to be some sort of population density requirement to get that kind of control. 10680. judithathome - 2/13/2013 10:54:18 PM But isn't a "militia" considered to be groups of citizens who will join in with the military to defend their country against a common enemy? Wasn't this put into effect in order for the governemnt to call up citizens to help them DEFEND against a foreign invader?
Was it really set up for malcontents to rise up against their own government?
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