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10838. arkymalarky - 4/17/2013 9:30:56 PM Mortality
All homicides
Number of deaths: 16,259
Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.3
Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 11,078
Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.6
Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2010, table 10, 11 [PDF - 3.1 MB]
Do some simple subtraction and retool your argument to adjust for reality. 10839. iiibbb - 4/18/2013 1:41:29 PM In my brief career on DU... what I think killed this was the gun control side working themselves up into a froth and the NY Safe act which cause the other side to mobilize and dig in.
Politics these days seems to be about taking an issue with a clear mandate and letting the passionate extreme turn it into something unacceptable (or at least create that perception) 10840. arkymalarky - 4/18/2013 2:41:12 PM 1 meaningful background checks
2 reasonable limits on magazines
Anyone but an anarchist should be able to accept that 10841. wabbit - 4/18/2013 3:18:02 PM A fire and chemical explosion at a Texas fertilizer plant in a small town north of Waco sent at least 180 people to hospitals, flattened buildings, prompted widespread evacuations and left as many as five to 15 people feared dead... 10842. Wombat - 4/18/2013 3:30:48 PM I think it was a difference between wide support and deep support. I also think that it will be a pyrrhic victory for the gun lobby. 10843. judithathome - 4/18/2013 6:17:22 PM Wabbit, I watched that on the news until 3am...I've been to that little town...anyone who knows it stops off to buy the "world famous" kolaches at one of the many bakeries in town.
West has always been known as "little Germany". 10844. judithathome - 4/18/2013 6:17:51 PM It must have felt like Dresden last night.... 10845. robertjayb - 4/18/2013 11:16:01 PM The Armed Citizen...
"An Alaskan woman has been found not guilty on all counts for the murder of her husband -- even though she shot him five times in the back while he was sleeping. You'd think that Lisa Donlon would be spending the rest of her life in prison, but instead she gets to walk free and reunite with her three children. Why? Because Donlon claimed she was being abused by her husband, who had held her captive in a remote cabin for days, while allegedly raping and torturing her by hanging her from the ceiling and beating her, because he had found out she'd kissed another woman.
"The defense argued that Lisa had no choice but to kill him in self-defense because he was continually threatening to kill her and her children and was holding her against her will." (Mamas Latinas.com)
My dear old sometimes feisty Scots-Irish dad would probably have said, "Well, he needed killing."
I remember him telling of serving as a juror in a similar case where they cut the woman loose.
10846. robertjayb - 4/19/2013 12:57:43 AM And received threats, indirect, I think, from the deceased's kinfolk. 10847. arkymalarky - 4/19/2013 1:17:23 AM It makes you feel any better, nothing proposed would've prevented her from killing him in his sleep. 10848. robertjayb - 4/19/2013 2:03:14 PM I don't want to believe what I am seeing on TV news this morning. The impression is of a major city being shut down in the aftermath of the Boston marathon bombing. Would-be anti-American terrorists the world over must be encouraged by their prospects for inflicting damage.
At least the MTA has been shut down. Maybe Charlie can get off now.
10849. robertjayb - 4/19/2013 2:10:20 PM Boomantribune.com is running an interesting tic-tock of events in Boston this morning. 10850. robertjayb - 4/19/2013 2:15:01 PM A sample:
Update [2013-4-19 8:41:28 by Steven D]: Law enforcement (SWAT) has surrounded house in Waterdown, including an armored vehicle (from CBS Boston video).
NBC reporting (Pete Williams) that a third family member may be involved. Not sure who is his source for that statement other than generic "law enforcement."
Update [2013-4-19 8:54:4 by Steven D]: CBS Boston reports that police evacuating neighborhood in Cambridge where brothers lived. Also the CBS Boston reporter said police took two people into custody, at least one who appeared to be a female.
Update [2013-4-19 9:12:29 by Steven D]: Mother Jones found You Tube video allegedly posted by Tamerlan Tsarnaev (the dead suspect) "extolling an extremist religious prophecy associated with Al Qaeda ..." The prophecy is associated with end time apocalyptic beliefs:
10851. robertjayb - 4/19/2013 4:03:35 PM Good time to open up that pathway to citizenship.
Whaddaya think? 10852. judithathome - 4/19/2013 7:18:58 PM Especially since the still-alive younger brother gained legal citizenship on 9/11/2012.
Robert, I had the same thought...the anti-immigrant crowd is going to ride this into the barn and bolt the door behind it. 10853. wabbit - 4/19/2013 7:53:38 PM It's a pretty amazing thing, no trains, no buses, people told to stay in their houses and businesses staying closed. Watertown is being searched door-to-door, Cambridge, Somerville, Brighton-Allston, Brookline, Belmont, Waltham, all shut down. UMass Dartmouth was evacuated and shut down.
A lot is coming out about the Tsarnaev brothers, now that they've been identified. The younger brother is the one people are shocked by, the classic "most popular kid in high school, friendly, well-liked, good athlete, not a weird kid" type of thing.
A "controlled explosion" is scheduled for Cambridge later this afternoon. 10854. wabbit - 4/19/2013 8:01:35 PM JaH, I was looking at a satellite picture of West and was surprised to see how close the nursing home and junior high were to the fertilizer plant. Couldn't be more than 250 yards. So many first responders dead, such a sad situation. 10855. robertjayb - 4/19/2013 8:40:29 PM Breaking news
Tonight's Red Sox-Royals game at Fenway has been postponed 3:20
(Boston Globe)
No, no, no. Play the damn game. "Don't give them power," is a sorta hokey line often repeated in a series of crime novels I once enjoyed. It contains a useful truth. 10856. wabbit - 4/19/2013 8:43:51 PM Red Sox and Bruins, both cancelled for tonight. 10857. judithathome - 4/19/2013 8:46:43 PM Robert, those facilities were built AFTER the plant...which was built in 1958. You can tell the houses nearby were built around the 1970s because of the style of the homes.
It was utter insanity to build a school that nearby.
And in other ludicrous news, Rick Perry has asked for federal disaster relief...and the Rep. from that area...Flores...voted against Sandy relief.
Hypocrisy, thy name is politicos from Texas.
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