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11117. anomie - 7/14/2013 5:12:18 PM Really Judith, I fell like you and Arky are communicating from some alternate universe. One more post and I can't do any more. I have to let it go.
How did Zimmerman get those minor cuts and bruiises? Huh? I mean were they self inflicted? And didn't the prosecution concede that Zimmerman was on the bottom? Polyester has amazing dirt shedding properties.
Arky said it was justified to attack someone who is merely following you. How much more justified is someone who defends himself from such an attack.
And where's your bruise meter that correlates cut/bruise size vs fear for your life or of bodily harm.
Zimmerman is a human being too. Flawed and imperfect. Maybe he's an asshole. But you just don't have the proof that he's a murderer.
I don't mean to cop-out on the discussion but we're repeating ourselves. I'm amazed you can't tell the difference between an unfortunate tragic situation and murder/manslaughter. 11118. judithathome - 7/14/2013 5:37:24 PM I'm amazed you can't see that this was about more than that...last night, Mark O'Meara was asked what thought the outcome would have been had the positions been reversed and Martin had shot Zimmerman...he actually said "Had the positions been reversed, there would have been no arrest or trial"....are you KIDDING me? What universe is HE in?
This country is going backward as far as progress in race relations is concerned. You have only to look at our prison system to see that and the recent push about restricting voting rights.
To say this case wasn't the least little bit about race is not accurate...even the defense attorneys let race be a part of it, in their statements and in their attitudes. 11119. robertjayb - 7/14/2013 5:59:26 PM The "child" was a fit teenager (17-18?), a full head or more taller than Zimmerman with weight appropriate to his height.
Zimmerman's Mixed Martial Arts instructor considered him so athletically inept that he would not allow him to box and he rated his skills at 0.05 on a 10-point scale.
(a TV interview with the MMA guy.) 11120. judithathome - 7/14/2013 6:14:58 PM And that gym owner had no vested interest in promoting his services while testifying, did he? Although if he can't get a guy's proficiency past a 1 on the 1 to 10 scale in 8 months, he's services are pretty piss-poor.
11121. arkymalarky - 7/14/2013 6:37:01 PM If you are following me down a dark street, you're damn right I can confront you and defend myself. It's like I tell kids about bullying. I have a basic right to be left alone. If you go out of your way to harass someone on a dark street you get what you get. Had Martin killed Zimmerman too bad for Zimmerman. It just didn't occur to Martin for whatever reason that he would be shot, evidently. 11122. arkymalarky - 7/14/2013 6:39:51 PM And in response to anomie, I accept the jury system outcome. The fact that you only do when it agrees with you is telling wrt your civics instruction. 11123. arkymalarky - 7/14/2013 6:42:59 PM Manslaughter is a tragic event precipitated by negligence and usually stupidity. 11124. anomie - 7/14/2013 9:33:45 PM Arky, I was a fairly mediocre student but it's not hard to understand the concept of appeals vs double jeopardy. According to you, Rosa Parks should have just accepted her conviction, I suppose? All of you who so graciously proclaim how accepting you are of the verdict fail to mention the fact that you have no other choice. You can't retry him for the same crime. Of course you can continue to harass him with civil or Federal charges, but in fairness I sure hop not. No one's doing any favors by "accepting" verdicts of not guilty. 11125. anomie - 7/14/2013 9:36:02 PM "If you go out of your way to harass someone on a dark street you get what you get..." And there you go again. Convicting Zimmerman on an unproven if/then scenario. 11126. arkymalarky - 7/14/2013 9:56:22 PM If you say Zimmerman wasn't following Martin you're hopeless. if you think following somebody on a Dark night is not harassment then your doubly hopeless.And you doknow MLK spent time in jail, right? No one said anything about double jeopardy. Yes, there's an appeal process for the accused. So? No one argued Zimmerman shouldn't have the right of appeal. My contention is that had he hone through the entire process and lost you'd be screaming "travesty of justice!" 11127. anomie - 7/14/2013 10:18:10 PM I think it's a travesty of justice as is. The man has been through hell, and there's more to come. 11128. arkymalarky - 7/14/2013 10:51:02 PM Boo. Hoo. That kid's death deserved s hearing. 11129. judithathome - 7/14/2013 11:04:01 PM " The man has been through hell, and there's more to come."
Oh yeah...he's been through hell...he got over $300,000 on-line and he gets profits from that friend's book which probably sold like hotcakes after the guy testified...they had the name of the book up each time he opened his mouth. And next will be George's book, plus the fees he'll get from a re-interview with Hannity and god knows who else.
Yeah, he's been through hell all right...I'm sure Trayvon Martin would trade places with the "hell" Zimmerman CAN go through but unfortunately, Martin has no choice in the matter, does he? 11130. judithathome - 7/14/2013 11:08:34 PM The man has shown not one whit of remorse over carrying out "God's plan". Those were his exact words...he "wouldn't change a thing he did" that night and considers it "God's plan" for him.
Hopefully, God is a bit miffed and has really rotten things in mind as part of that plan.
But we all know that won't happen...he'll continue to rake in money and have a nice tidy little life, not bothered at all by tawdry little things like regret or remorse. 11131. anomie - 7/14/2013 11:15:43 PM Of course his death deserves a hearing. No question.
Martin's death is tragic no matter what part he played in the events. I don't know if he attacked Zimmerman, but something happened that triggered a series of events. You can cite FACT FACT only up to a point, and none that describe an illegal act. After that point of known events, you're just emoting. Let's say Arky is right and Martin was scared or angry and he attacked Zimmerman. I suppose Zimmerman's right of self defense is somehow revoked in your view. Why? At what point does he have the right to stop having his head bashed in?
11132. judithathome - 7/14/2013 11:24:36 PM "but something happened that triggered a series of events."
Yes...Zimmerman got out of his truck after he was told not to...and followed Martin after he was told not to. None of this would have happened if he done what he was told...they told him that FOR A REASON. 11133. anomie - 7/14/2013 11:44:34 PM And then...? 11134. judithathome - 7/15/2013 12:37:11 AM Well, we only seem to have one person left alive to explain it...and the jury believed that was enough. Not strange at all that he was also the one with the gun.
I'm wondering if the 911 people suspected he had that gun...after all, they'd spoken with him 46 times in the past and maybe that's why they told him to stay in his truck. 11135. anomie - 7/15/2013 12:49:39 AM I think what happened next was self-defense, but I have absolutely no proof of that. The state has no proof otherwise, and the burden is theirs. Do you wantto revise that concept? Many tragic aspects to this case. The loss of life being the greatest. In the end we are all better off that the presumption of innocence prevailed. 11136. anomie - 7/15/2013 12:51:05 AM I think police in some states should assume everyone is packing. Arizona, Nevada, Texas... Maybe every state come to think.
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