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11501. judithathome - 12/11/2014 8:37:54 PM I guess I'm hearing a different maroon...I think he's ridiculing Cheney and others who are claiming torture worked and are saying the Senate committee lied. 11502. Ms. No - 12/11/2014 9:52:34 PM There are lots of things that seem like they should be true and even that people want to be true, but that doesn't mean they are true. Isn't that one of the foundational elements of Cargo Cult Science? 11503. arkymalarky - 12/11/2014 9:59:19 PM it's the fact he even thinks it is a debatable issue, and he pissed me off in how he addressed guests wrt the issue, including Joan whatsherdrip of salon and one of the detainee's lawyers. 11504. arkymalarky - 12/11/2014 11:27:21 PM Walsh...I could not remember her last name. 11505. arkymalarky - 12/12/2014 3:45:33 AM Dick Cheney should never be mentioned in the news without prefacing the story with a background of his evasion of service in Vietnam. He talks awfully tough to have been such a coward. 11506. iiibbb - 12/12/2014 4:34:34 AM The effectiveness or ineffectiveness of torture matters not at all. It’s a red herring.
It doesn’t matter if you're right or wrong about the effectiveness of torture.
It doesn’t matter if your motives are patriotic and your heart is pure.
It doesn’t matter if your cause is just.
It doesn’t matter how terrible your enemy.
Listen to me, it doesn’t matter if you’re a man of God, if you molest a child, you’re a goddamned child molester.
And it comes down to this: If you engage in torture, you're a torturer.
And you live in a country that tortures people.
It’s really just that simple. 11507. robertjayb - 12/12/2014 4:37:22 AM But Arky, he explained:
"I had other priorities in the 60's than military service."
...War criminal Dick Cheney to the Washington Post in 1989. 11508. arkymalarky - 12/12/2014 5:25:50 AM yay 3i!!!!
exactly, Robert! but he never seemed to flinch at sending others. 11509. arkymalarky - 12/12/2014 5:26:30 AM of all of them, he's the most disgusting and despicable, by far. 11510. Ms. No - 12/12/2014 7:23:37 PM I'm sick and tired of all this "War on Terror" bullshit. That's like a "War on Crazy" and has about as much chance of success.
We've spent billions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives and are not any safer from the kind of attacks that really prompted us to begin this whole circus.
Just as more prisons aren't the answer to reducing crime, more invasive searches and restrictive security measures are not the answer to reducing terrorism --- but it sure gives some folks a chubby.
And I'm definitely on board with the fact that state-sanctioned brutality for any reason perpetuates a brutality of mind that is made manifest in the national psyche. 11511. arkymalarky - 12/12/2014 8:12:46 PM very well said 11512. judithathome - 12/12/2014 11:35:31 PM I think I was responding to something completely different to Chris Matthews...the link in my post upthread to John Stewart had nothing to do with Matthews and torture...at least on my screen....
11513. judithathome - 12/12/2014 11:36:44 PM Matthews is rude to everyone on his show...I agree. 11514. arkymalarky - 12/13/2014 12:49:39 AM Jon Stewart is brilliant. 11515. judithathome - 12/13/2014 7:49:51 PM Yep...even when I misspell his name! 11516. judithathome - 12/13/2014 9:47:52 PM Happy 12/13/'14!! 11517. arkymalarky - 12/13/2014 10:38:53 PM yay! 11518. ms. no - 12/14/2014 7:49:28 AM Is it still? I'm in LA for the weekend with family and have totally lost track of the time/date. 11519. judithathome - 12/16/2014 12:31:13 AM It was when I wrote it. 11520. judithathome - 12/30/2014 6:36:22 PM Boehner's #3 Man Scurries To Distance Himself From David Duke
House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.), whose office has been beating back criticism about a speech he gave at a 2002 gathering hosted by a white supremacist group, received some ill-timed praise from the group's founder Monday evening. The notorious former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke described Scalise as "a fine family man" with whom he often agrees.
For his part, Scalise's office has said he was unaware of the white supremacist group's views when as a state lawmaker, he spoke at the 2002 conference. But in 1999, then-state Rep. Scalise told a Washington newspaper that he agreed with many of Duke's "conservative" views.
Yeah, I think that might be a problem with some in the Republican Party...no matter that a LOT of them agree with the views of David Duke.
Sidenote: At the time Scalise spoke in front of the group, two semi-professional football teams were booked to stay at the same hotel...upon arriving and learning that the Duke organization was booked there, the teams cancelled their reservations and booked rooms at another hotel. That's pretty rich when a group of football players is more aware than a man representing his political party.
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