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11813. thoughtful - 10/28/2004 6:13:52 PM judithah, I'm glad about your test result. I guess what I'd want to know is what kind of heart attack the others had. My FIL had arteries clear as a bell, but died of congestive heart failure. Others, it's clogged arteries and a lack of O2 that lead to heart disease rather than anything structurally wrong with heart function. My old boss's mother had heart damage from rheumatic fever as a kid. Many ways to have a heart disease, not all detectable with an echo.
I presume you're taking a baby aspirin a day... 11814. judithathome - 10/28/2004 6:19:48 PM My dad had clogged arteries, evidently. My grandad, too. (My mom died of a blod clot to the lung after hip surgery.)
I take certain herbs that have a blood thinning property daily and a baby asprin...not daily for the asprin because of what I take for my joint pain. 11815. judithathome - 10/28/2004 6:21:39 PM The doc did say I should try a low fat diet because of my family history and I'm going to cut out some of the fat but not the good fat...olive oil, for instance.
I'm going to cut my cheese comsumption in half, too. But I think moderation is the key. 11816. Magoseph - 10/28/2004 6:25:15 PM 
11817. judithathome - 10/28/2004 6:26:32 PM Oh, that's cute! I love dried leaves! 11818. Magoseph - 10/28/2004 6:35:38 PM 
11819. Magoseph - 10/28/2004 6:48:18 PM In Provence 11820. thoughtful - 10/28/2004 7:58:32 PM very pretty magos
11821. thoughtful - 10/28/2004 8:06:22 PM j@h, schwarzbein has a lot to say on heart disease and diet. The latest thinking is that a balance of all fats is important including the omega 3s...like flax and fish...as well as the omega 6 and 9 including saturated fat. Schwarzbein contends that if you don't eat cholesterol, your body will make it. Problem is the mechanism to shut down cholesterol making is a poor one and therefore it will overdo even on a low fat diet. Explains why so many people on an atkins type diet don't have more cholesterol problems than people on really low fat diets, or why people on low fat diets still can't get their cholesterol down and thus the flood of statin drugs. (Not that I'm recommending atkins at all.) In fact the studies linking heart disease with cholesterol are very poor indeed.
Also explains why the french, for example, suffer less heart disease than americans even though they eat rich foods.
Rather insulin is a major factor, as it leads to inflammation in the body and a build up of abdominal fat and the whole 'syndrome X' thing they're all talking about now. So one of the keys to reducing heart disease is to reduce the insulin rush by controlling the number of carbs eaten and making sure all meals and snacks are balanced. E.g., it's healthier to eat an apple with a hunk of cheese vs. just an apple as together they provide a balanced snack and reduce insulin rush, vs. the apple alone which is very high sugar and causes the insulin rush.
Just some food for thought, if you will.
11822. ronski - 10/28/2004 8:07:49 PM That looks quite a bit like our native Virginia Creeper. Do you know what the vine is?
We have some growing onto our deck that the birds visit now for the berries. 11823. judithathome - 10/28/2004 8:11:40 PM I never eat carbs without balancing them with protein. And I don't as a rule indulge in hollow calories.
Also take Omega 3 and flaxseed oil capsules daily. 11824. ronski - 10/28/2004 8:11:45 PM thoughtful,
You are very knowledgeable about insulin, carbs, cholesterol, etc., and I agree with you.
I mean all these things are subject to future, better studies, but you have it right about where things are heading on this subject. 11825. thoughtful - 10/28/2004 8:16:18 PM There are various components of omega 3, some of which is only in fish oils, not in flax seed oil. Had this long discussion with my naturopath on that one, as I avoid the fish oils due to my thyroid problems. Just wanted to mention it though.
Also, just heard about another contributing factor to heart disease...subclinical hypothyroidism. Seems to be a lot of women have undetected low thyroid function which leads to issues like chronic fatigue, low energy levels, achiness, and now even heart disease.
Being a sufferer of graves disease, i tend to be hyper aware of thyroid issues. 11826. thoughtful - 10/28/2004 8:21:55 PM Yeah, ronski, it's way too simple, and that's the problem. The best recommendation in the world is still the same old same old. Nothing new, nothing fancy.
Eat a balanced diet.
Avoid sweets and empty calories.
Eat your vegetables.
Eat real food and avoid artificial ingredients and processed foods.
Watch your portions.
Drink lots of water.
Exercise regularly.
Problem is no one is going to make any money offering up that sound, age-old advice. Not docs, not big pharma, not the publishing houses. Too little cache, too much sensibility, no magic. 11827. judithathome - 10/28/2004 8:37:29 PM Yes, the doctor mentioned that I should have my thyroid tested and I'm going to do that in two months at the same time I have my cholesterol checked again. He said it is good now but he'd like me to try and get my LDL down about 10 more points. I think I can do that in two months, even with Greek housguests who love to cook and the holidays approaching. ;-) 11828. Magoseph - 10/28/2004 8:38:42 PM That looks quite a bit like our native Virginia Creeper. Do you know what the vine is?
Alistair may know what the vine is, Ronski. 11829. Magoseph - 10/28/2004 8:41:37 PM Look at this one, Ronski 11830. Magoseph - 10/28/2004 8:48:23 PM This is very interesting, thoughtful. I would like to read more about what Schwarzbein has to say if I could obtain other references. Does this man have a site? 11831. Magoseph - 10/28/2004 8:50:15 PM I never heard anyone say that there's little or no relationship between cholesterol and heart disease. 11832. ronski - 10/28/2004 8:57:21 PM It is Virginia Creeper, which I've just learned is native to Europe and was introduced to North America via Canada.
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