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12473. SnowOwl - 12/3/2004 10:57:49 AM Jen,
It's not really that cold. The problem is that in my part of the country there's very often little to differentiate between summer and winter. It is much warmer further north in the country. 12474. Dubai Vol - 12/3/2004 2:16:47 PM At least you have the option of turning on the heat. I Dubai they just don;t even install heating, which is stupid if you know anything about heat pumps. SO in winter everybody has to buy thos little space heaters. Of course you only use them a few days, this morning it was 75 degrees at dawn. And I swear to you, a couple more derees and gas station attendants will break out the leather jackets and furry hats with ear flaps. Brr, it's 70 degrees! Meanwhile the Germans are on the beach getting a tan on the lounge chairs they put their towels on at 6AM.... 12475. PelleNilsson - 12/3/2004 4:51:55 PM Hahaha! Yes, I recall that in Beirut, when the temperature crept down to 65 or so, the wives of the noveaux riche took the opportunity to put on their mink coats. 12476. wonkers2 - 12/3/2004 5:20:20 PM Ulgine, 40 years ago Time Magazine, edited by Henry Luce, was considerably more right wing than it is today. In the presidential election campaign between Eisenhower and Stevenson, Time published a picture of Adlai picking his nose alongside a picture of an attractive, smiling Ike. 12477. wonkers2 - 12/3/2004 5:46:55 PM There is a fascinating op-ed in today's NYT about Bob Dylan's hit "Like a Rolling Stone," recently named the greatest rock'n roll song of all time. Columbia Records recorded the song but shelved it because the sales people thought 6 minutes was too long and they didn't dig "raucous rock'n roll." Dylan refused their request to cut it to 3 minutes which Columbia apparently figured was the average listener attention span, and the song nearly was never published. Two years earlier, Dylan had failed to persuade Columbia to release his "Talkin' John Birch Society Blues." The Hit We Almost Missed 12478. Magoseph - 12/3/2004 5:50:38 PM Hello, everyone!
In the early morning yesterday, I drove a wheelchair-equipped van to the hospital in the next town and came back driving a Mercedes, both vehicles for the first time. I was scared both ways. I spent much time in the afternoon consoling a relative who just found that her husband is involved with cyber-sex. During this time, Flexy was busy with another property closing and was blissfully unawares of my activities. When I finally told him about those exciting events, he laughed about my rendition of them, that is, until he found out who was involved with cyber-sex.
12479. judithathome - 12/3/2004 5:53:08 PM Gosh, "cyber sex" even sounds uncomfortable!
Speaking of which, I'm off to the gym, an uncomfortable situation in itself. 12480. Ms. No - 12/3/2004 6:05:20 PM Mago,
Oh, that's so sad. What a horrible thing to find out your lover has betrayed you. Has it been just random cybering or has he got one specific person? Either is bad but at least if he's just out trolling for anonymous sex he hasn't fallen in love with someone else.
I was reading an interview with the cast of the new film "Closer" yesterday and they mentioned something about how one of the relationships begins though internet chat. The actors were all talking about how most of them had ever engaged in such things --- they all have email but none of them visit discussion sites or chat or anything - and the general consensus was that people who do are just weirdos.
I'm not sure now where I was going with this. I'll have to post, then see if it still makes sense and if I had any actual point to make. ;->
12481. Magoseph - 12/3/2004 6:29:37 PM Has it been just random cybering or has he got one specific person?
One specific person, Ms. No, during the last two years--the relative read an e-mail left by accident on the screen. Therefore, she proceeded to find out about the relationship and since she is an expert in computers, she found out plenty. She wanted to talk to Flexy, but finally confided in me when I asked her if I could help. I must tell you that my first reaction to all this was merriment—we are talking here about an extremely religious couple who has made a point of honor to convert Flexy over the years. 12482. Ms. No - 12/3/2004 7:07:36 PM I can empathise with your glee as well as your concern. One specific person is the worst kind excepting face to face meetings. I think it's somewhat telling that she would discover such a thing and not ask about it immediately but wait more than a year snooping while allowing the adulterous relationship to grow.
12483. Magoseph - 12/3/2004 8:52:26 PM She found the records of the relationship on the hard drive this week--he had left an e-mail on the screen. She immediately confronted him and he is properly penitent. Understandably, she feels hurt, betrayed, and very angry. She wants to know how to deal with the situation and save her marriage. There are three teenagers in the family.
I told her to approach their church's counseling services and Flexy did the same. The husband refuses to do this, because he is afraid the incident may be become general knowledge somehow—their standing in the community is at stake, he says.
12484. PelleNilsson - 12/3/2004 8:58:28 PM Hahaha! This is true American soap. Please keep us updated. 12485. thoughtful - 12/3/2004 9:01:57 PM so let me get this straight...he's been having a virtual affair with this woman he's never met in person? I mean they never have had sex, right? Never even shook hands, right? 12486. thoughtful - 12/3/2004 9:03:20 PM or did she find the e-mails and these two have met in real life and carried on for real... 12487. Magoseph - 12/3/2004 9:06:16 PM Never, Ms. No, did they meet. Now I feel very bad that I found the incident funny at first. She is a very nice person, very proper and very shy--It was hard for her to explain the situation. She said that the e-mails were about doing things to each other in rather strong descriptive terms. 12488. Ms. No - 12/3/2004 9:37:31 PM Mago,
I can't say that many people would have felt differently. It's always a guilty satisfaction to see someone holier-than-thou brought down into the real world with the rest of us sinners.
All that aside, I think you did the right thing. I think it's very sad that their Church isn't trustworthy enough not to broadcast their troubles. Is this a legitimate fear on the husband's part or do you think that perhaps he just doesn't want to admit to anyone that he's been caught?
Whether he actually met this other person is not a completely insigificant detail, but it isn't necessary for him to actually have strayed to hurt his wife terribly and possibly end their marriage. I've seen several online relationships that ended up in real life affairs, cross-country and even global moves and marriage. The fact that it doesn't take place "in the flesh" doesn't negate all the non-physical aspects of a love affair which are arguably more important than physical contact.
12489. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 12/3/2004 10:07:33 PM I'm not sure now where I was going with this. I'll have to post, then see if it still makes sense and if I had any actual point to make. ;->
Loved that!
12490. thoughtful - 12/3/2004 10:23:20 PM Yes i suppose, from a woman's POV it's the intimate nature of the exchange even if virtual...and yet I can see the husband justifing his behavior as "just fantasy" like writing fiction or something. Reminded of the governator's line, "eatin' ain't cheatin'".
Then there is always the escalation potential. Of course I'd crack up if the woman on the other end turns out to be an 80 yr old hag!
I remember one time reading an article where they interviewed these women who were paid phone sex ladies, and believe me, they looked NOTHING like the gals in the pin ups.
12491. Magoseph - 12/3/2004 10:34:49 PM Is this a legitimate fear on the husband's part or do you think that perhaps he just doesn't want to admit to anyone that he's been caught?
I think that it is both. His family is well known in their area and the business he inherited depends on the good will of the local people. She just called me to say her parents will take the children over Christmas vacation, she will take a leave of absence from her job, and they will go away somewhere and try first to iron the problems on their own before they seek professional help.
12492. Magoseph - 12/3/2004 10:36:05 PM I remember one time reading an article where they interviewed these women who were paid phone sex ladies, and believe me, they looked NOTHING like the gals in the pin ups.
All that these women need is a sexy voice.
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