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1258. RosettaStone - 9/27/2000 9:53:06 AM IJ is innocent and the worse thing you can do is a coverup of a non-crime.
Why you want to make this a bigger issue in TT is beyond me, ChristinO.
Clearly you don't understand the negative aspects of bad publicity. 1259. Nostradamus - 9/27/2000 9:58:49 AM Rosie
Can you help me to get to the bottom of this one way or the other?
What can you tell me about Stinky's Piggery (a website allegedly set up by the soon to be former Mote Gatekeeper, IndianaJones)? Have you ever been there?
As I've said all along, all I'm interested in is the truth. If the guy's innocent, he should be cooperating instead of sending these 2 clowns to cover his tracks and hide the truth from this forum. 1260. ChristinO - 9/27/2000 10:05:37 AM RosettaStone,
Did you not read what I said? Whether or not Indy had issues at TableTalk has no bearing whatsoever on his performance here. He was approved by a majority of members of this forum and he did his job well. As he is no longer to serve in that capacity his track record at some other forum is even less important now than it ever was.
There is no cover-up. Nos or you or anyone else is free to discuss this and pursue whatever information is available, but not in this forum. This is a TableTalk Issue and has nothing to do with us. 1261. RosettaStone - 9/27/2000 10:46:47 AM I've never been there, Nos. I just know that IJ is a good person and not a stalker.
Much of the hostility between cazart and Mitch/IJ comes from the fact the he thinks cazart is JadeGold. And I believe him.
He did link to mote once a head shot of TT moderator Mary Beth. But that picture came from Salon's own publicity site of their employees. Big deal. 1262. Nostradamus - 9/27/2000 10:57:05 AM Rosetta
You've been misinformed and I think I can give you enough evidence to prove it. Email me jonathanferguson@sprint.ca or give me your email address. 1263. Michael Mele - 9/27/2000 11:13:55 AM What can you tell me about Stinky's Piggery (a website allegedly set up by the soon to be former Mote Gatekeeper, IndianaJones)? Have you ever been there?
Yawn.
Gee, this is exactly like home. And I mean exactly. I keep expecting muel powell to wander in with a new definition of hypocrisy or something.
The Inspector Javert wrinkle is a little dispiriting. Plus ça change ... 1264. Nostradamus - 9/27/2000 11:36:39 AM Michael
The difference is, they don't promote regular Joe TTers to Marybeth status, do you get the distinction? Here, this guy was (and as far as I know, still is) the gatekeeper. Do you not see why this makes concerns about prior privacy violations valid?
1265. Nostradamus - 9/27/2000 11:38:00 AM I mean, I don't care if we have axe murderers and druglords POSTING, that's just gonna add a bit of variety. 1266. RosettaStone - 9/27/2000 12:05:12 PM MM: Muel claims that he does post on mote, although under another moniker, and I've never recognized his ID.
DH1000 was here at the beginning in the Politics thread but got beat up badly by our heavyweights (I'm as thin as a twig), and never returned. 1267. CalGal - 9/27/2000 12:24:28 PM Michael,
At least we keep our garbage hidden. (g)
Besides, we have a lot fewer obsessives here. 1268. Indiana Jones - 9/27/2000 12:51:46 PM What can you tell me about Stinky's Piggery (a website allegedly set up by the soon to be former Mote Gatekeeper, IndianaJones)? Have you ever been there?
Once again, the liar Nostra-dumbass wishes to stir shit rather than find truth. (Previously he demonstrated as much by not contacting Mary Beth Williams herself, who would easily know the answer to this matter without an "investigation" and who was the person I suggested, but rather Nostra-dumbass contacts a third person--making a jackanapish fool of himself in the process--and thus continues the libelous, hamhanded smear.)
Please check the first post in the following TableTalk thread in Salon Central: "To be opened in the the event of my death: The Last Will and Testament Thread."
You will see the post links to the URL for the so-called "Stinky's Piggery." You will also see that the post below that one describes the linked page as empty...and I could use that evidence to say the site has always remained empty, but it has not. (In fact, it currently houses the Mote Movie. Incidentally, the real problem cazart has always had with the site is that he didn't like the selection of Peter Lorre for his image and wrote to wabbit asking her to make me change it. Which I "sort of" did, hee-hee. Tell me, Nostra, just for curiosity's sake, who's the bigger crybaby, you or cazart?)
The topic has never been deleted from Salon Central, nor has the post linking to the Web site been deleted either. I suggest that were "Stinky's Piggery" to have ever housed a site "stalking" Mary Beth Williams, TableTalk would hardly have allowed a link to it to remain in Salon Central. Nor would the thread likely contain less than 25 posts, all of them purely boring in content.
1269. Indiana Jones - 9/27/2000 12:52:01 PM (cont.)
In contrast to the bumbling, jerka-troid who accuses me, I will also state categorically that I have never lied about any sysop (as has Nostra-dumbass about wabbit) nor harassed one to a fraction of the degree Dumbass has done to wabbit in this very community. So by his own standards, I suggest he has sentenced himself to never be trusted with any position of authority here, including thread host or gatekeeper.
Actually, it has occurred to me to request that Nostra-dumbass be banned for his accusation. That is, if his accusation is true, then he has revealed real-life information about me, which is clearly in violation of the Rules of Engagement. (As I dispute said information, it is impossible that I have revealed it on this forum, and since it's only existence is in the mind of cazart, I have not revealed it elsewhere either.) Therefore, if Nostra-dumbass believes his slur, then he has committed a bannable offense; if he does not, then (despite his lofty protestations) he's a slanderer and liar (which of course he is, but that's beside the point). As ChristinO correctly points out, the history he relates is no way pertainable to events on this forum, which according to the RoE is all that is addressable re other posters.
And Dumbass's allegation clearly would be real life information in the sense that it is likely a real life criminal offense punishable by real life courts. 1270. Indiana Jones - 9/27/2000 12:52:18 PM ChristinO: I apologize for again muddying this thread with my personal Fugitive saga ("I didn't kill my wife!" either), but as long as the dumbass crybaby is allowed to continue his genuine harassment of me, I prefer to not go unarmed. 1271. Indiana Jones - 9/27/2000 12:58:21 PM Michael Mele: Welcome to the Mote. I hope you'll stay as you will be a great addition.
BTW, this Nostradamus nonsense started up only in the last week and is not typical. If anything, the community has been excessively calm lately. 1272. Michael Mele - 9/27/2000 5:25:44 PM Nostradamus --
The difference is, they don't promote regular Joe TTers to Marybeth status, do you get the distinction? Here, this guy was (and as far as I know, still is) the gatekeeper. Do you not see why this makes concerns about prior privacy violations valid?
Frankly, no. I understand what you're trying to sell, but I'm not buying. I never had the patience for usenet, but that has to do with the software and the technical flakiness of Usenet. When I go out to play I don't feel unsafe. I post in my own name, and I'm easily located.
Because of the vast number of teenagers and fools on line, I prefer a moderated forum with a lock on the door -- but I am more inclined toward anarchy (which presupposes a civilized polity) than not.
I have an abiding prejudice against people who feel a compulsion to yammer endlessly about the faults of other posters -- although I will admit that I will gossip as readily as the next person. You are welcome to your crusade, Jones seems very equipped to defend himself.
1273. Michael Mele - 9/27/2000 5:27:26 PM Nostradamus –
BTW, now that I know more than I needed to know about this, I want to say that the warmth of your welcome to me is considerably diminished by the fact that one of the first things you did was to ask if I know "Stinky." Attempting to drag a newbie into your fight was not an act of kindness. It tends to undercut your claims of acting for good, as opposed to pursuing a vendetta.
1274. quivver - 9/27/2000 9:13:37 PM I've seen all these lovely personality types in other arenas online, from Nos/God/happyfuzzball to Calgal to Irv to arky and so on. It's kind of fascinating how the internet draws certain sorts of people into online community situations where they play out certain roles. Sometimes those roles are related to real-life, other times not.
I won't speculate on what this particular group of people will do in the next sixmonth or so (the mote will limp along at least that much longer, i can already tell), but it will be interesting to see how these personalities play out long-term, to see if certain patterns occur in this environs.
It is always a new adventure entering a community and watching humans interact positively and negatively in beautifully delineated patterns. I wish vr was viable currently. Anyway, enough quasi-sociology. Consider it all the comment this new kid chooses to make on the debating and whatnot and derive what meaning one may from it. :D Bom dia.
aem. 1275. PsychProf - 9/28/2000 12:55:23 AM Well Quiv, I've been here since 1996...how long term do ya want? 1276. quivver - 9/28/2000 1:03:35 AM I've only been bouncing round online since 95. By long-term I meant within the comfycouch zone of the mote, not necessarily other online fora i may or mayn't have observed mote peeps in action. ;D I'm old skool in a few places online, but a wee newborn kitten here. And I digress...
aem. 1277. PsychProf - 9/28/2000 1:12:12 AM Quiv...I meant here in the Mote/Fray...many of us have known eachother since 1996-1997.
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