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1378. Indiana Jones - 4/9/2001 10:20:44 PM I'm in the middle of a crunch and can't devote a lot of time to this right now, but here's my two cents.
1) JF was banned already, and the reason given for his being once again allowed to post was insufficient. The idea that someone can just change logins and continue posting while under a ban makes banishment meangingless.
2) Should JF have been given a third (fourth?) chance, his behavior should have been circumspect, rather than outrageous.
3) Criticizing what has now happened would be quibbling considering all circumstances.
4) This post by JF should settle the issue:
If these people can't run this site that you have so generously provided the server space for, maybe it's best to pull the plug.
It's painfully clear that JF has an agenda when he visits the Mote, and it's not a constructive one. 1379. Dusty - 4/9/2001 11:37:22 PM Indiana Jones
I indicated earlier that we should settle the issue of what we mean by ban affirmatively, not by default. My impression is not that someone woke up and realized he was banned before, but that the current banning is for some current offence.
I could be wrong. 1380. Indiana Jones - 4/10/2001 12:36:03 AM My impression is not that someone woke up and realized he was banned before, but that the current banning is for some current offence.
Dusty: My impression as well. Hence my #3--but rather than quibble with the rationale for what has transpired, I can't argue with the results.
And I can see a case for summarizing the entire episode as 1) Ferguson returned while banned; 2) the moderators decided rather than immediately enforce the ban, give him room--or rope, as the case may be--to demonstrate worthiness of having the ban lifted; 3) Ferguson--while not necessarily doing anything worthy of banishment had he been a newbie--hardly demonstrated that lifting his ban would be a desireable thing; 4) the moderators then decided to enforce the already existing sentence.
They might not--and have not--characterized their actions in this fashion, but it's close enough to what actually happened to satisfy me. 1381. Ms. No - 4/10/2001 2:22:18 AM The deleted posts were Jon Ferguson impersonating another Mote poster. 1382. alistairconnor - 4/10/2001 6:00:29 PM Jon is gone for good. We have broken new ground with this : previously, IDs have been banned, and it seems that the people involved have had the good taste to respect the ban. Because there is no technical means of actually banning a person rather than an ID. So he has forced us to innovate, by challenging the authority of the moderators to ban. The whole business was messy because he wanted it to be messy; we were slow to react, and too tolerant, because we're like that.
I think no-one will contest the legitimacy of banning him for imitating another poster. Since being banned yesterday, he has made several attempts to register new IDs. They have not been enabled (I don't think anyone will argue that they should); and no ID which is suspected to belong to him, will be enabled in the future. If he manages to register an ID without being noticed, that ID will be disabled as soon as it becomes apparent that it's him. No warning, no justification, no appeal, nothing.
This isn't any sort of official announcement. I'm just trying to explain what I have understood about the situation, which I haven't followed in detail, other than the technical aspects. 1383. rubberducky - 4/10/2001 11:13:12 PM how did he imitate? that's what i'm not getting 1384. Ms. No - 4/11/2001 1:24:07 AM He altered the name of a legitimate poster in such a way as to appear to be that person and then posted. 1385. wabbit - 4/27/2001 12:10:56 AM Thread Hosting Guidelines
Rules of Engagement 1386. arkymalarky - 4/27/2001 11:52:45 PM I like them both, Wabbit. 1387. Autodaffy - 4/29/2001 1:38:18 PM This post copied from politics is directed to the three people most responsible for the low level of discussion in the mote and responsible for the low level of participation in the mote, that is to say, why people do not choose to participate. It was occasioned by Jexter doing what he has always done in politics, which you see fit not to change. Your actions and inactions are reprehensible:
"Sorry, Jexter, I don't shut up for morons or bullies, or spammers like you. You repeatedly post for the sole purpose of annoying or disrupting discussion.
The lamebrained asses, wabbit, pelle and ms. no, who rule here have some sense of what you do to rational discourse, and you seem intent on proving the obvious to them, although I judge that their political prejudices protect you to some extent. Thanks for the help." 1388. wabbit - 4/29/2001 8:52:13 PM Autodaffy,
I looked at Jexster's posts to see what inspired your reaction. Frankly, if you consider linking to a website and an article spam, I can live with your opinion of me as a lamebrained ass. 1389. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 4/30/2001 12:46:08 AM The good doctor has two questions.
Firstly, what exactly is Beano's so-called administrative role here?
Point B, I have pursued the so-called thread hosting guidelines and in point of fact find every contradiction with what has been my own individual personal experience as a thread host.
In such case, I would like a justification from those rules as to why standard operating procedures were not followed in my own unique invidual case.
Seeing as how that it appears a egrevious error has been committed, I should like my domicile restored, though in point of fact it's new shingle could be: "Dr. Coltrane's Psychic Hotline."
By the by, I do not share the opinion of Madame Wabbit et al expressed by Daffy Duck above. Insidious forces are here at work led by Nilson to affront my person but lamebrainery is not one of them.
No one is as wise as the good doctor, but many peradventure rise above the level of the ass. 1390. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 4/30/2001 12:48:50 AM To make that perfectly clear lest any be offended, no one should go into a battle with Dr. Coltrane if the chosen weapons are rapier wits because I am the Zorro and all the rest my pupils, but I do not underestimiate my oponents.
Many so-called mote dwellers have a good groat of intelligence--including the martinet and his harem--despite not being durst able to contend with yours truly.
Daffy doth quack falsely. 1391. Ms. No - 4/30/2001 3:43:25 AM Wabbit,
Both look good to me. There's a typo in the Hosting Guidelines---second paragraph, last line "though" should be "through".
1392. Ms. No - 4/30/2001 6:03:15 AM Autodaffy,
It's nice to know that you can be relied upon to treat others with the same respect with which you have yourself been treated.
1393. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 4/30/2001 10:10:59 PM In point of fact the good doctor treats others with respect than I myself recieve.
I note by the by that no one has addressed either of my questions. Perhaps the only way to recieve a response here is to insult the improprietors.
Bless the heavens but yours truly as well as being a doctor and scholar is a gentlemen and shall peradventure not stupe to such poltroonery.
Methinks I was encouraged to nail my missives here rather than the new thread domicile so that they could be ignored with impudence. Yet, patient wight that I am, I shall ask gently once more, what exactly is the administrative role of Beano here?
Chief crowd control enforcer? 1394. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 5/2/2001 6:48:29 AM Testing...testing...testing...testing...
1395. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 5/2/2001 6:49:22 AM Should I repeat my missive on the other domicile in hopes that it shall be addressed? 1396. Dusty - 5/3/2001 1:27:24 AM But the transformation of the Welcome thread into a DC thread raises Policy issues. Do we create thread topics and assign hosts to manage that subject, or do we grant thread hosting rights to individuals to do whatever whim strikes their fancy? I know that Ace has pushed into new ground on this issue, but Marj has taken it a quantum leap beyond. While some may misinterpret this as a slap at Marj, that is not my intent. What are the rules? Can Wombat decide that History is boring and change the thread title to "Discuss Sex and Policy here?" 1397. JJBiener - 5/3/2001 1:36:07 AM Dusty - I could be mistaken, but I believe the conversion from Welcome to DC was discussed in Suggestions and there was generally agreement with the change. It is different from Ace's thread where the changes were completely arbitrary.
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