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15868. Ms. No - 7/18/2005 4:25:37 PM Ah, Mac, you'd be looking for the Spivak Pronouns
And even in the Wikipedia definition the "singular they" is mentioned.
THERE IS NO SINGULAR THEY!!!!
Although I suppose the fact that the language changes means it's not dead. Still, some things shouldn't be messed with just because people are too lazy to learn the proper rules. 15869. arkymalarky - 7/18/2005 5:39:01 PM I heard someone on tv (msnbc weatherman) pronounce the "w" in sword the other day. 15870. PelleNilsson - 7/18/2005 5:56:26 PM I pronounce that 'w'. I shouldn't? 15871. thoughtful - 7/18/2005 6:14:45 PM i don't...it's 'sord' to me.
my cousins who lived only one town down always pronounced the 2nd t in words like mitten and kitten.
then there are other words that are frequently mispronounced in our area that seem local to the area...architect where the ch is pronounced...prespiration instead of perspiration...alblum instead of album...oakmeal instead of oatmeal...win-chew wipers instead of windshield wipers....sangwich instead of sandwich...and i never prounounce the 'h' in who and whom unless I specifically want to put on an affectation.
also in our area people so often say things like "her and I went..." that it was only when I started working and people started correcting me that I realized it was wrong. One's ear gets used to hearing things and then they 'sound' right. 15872. Ms. No - 7/18/2005 6:18:38 PM How about "toward"?
I so often hear people say too-ward, or even too-wardz.
It's "tord".....not unlike sword. ;-> 15873. arkymalarky - 7/18/2005 6:56:19 PM My favorite (speaking of Dr. Strangelove in International): Prevert. 15874. PelleNilsson - 7/18/2005 7:21:10 PM I checked 'sword' in M-W. I have to change my ways. 15875. judithathome - 7/18/2005 7:22:20 PM Something that makes me cringe is when someone says "Mandy and I's pizza"... 15876. wonkers2 - 7/18/2005 7:26:30 PM Mine: "Commie prevert." Greetings from sunny Seattle. 15877. arkymalarky - 7/18/2005 7:27:43 PM Oh Pelle, it's little traits like that that are so endearing! Of course, as an English teacher I'm used to correcting people to no avail. 15878. arkymalarky - 7/18/2005 7:28:12 PM Hey Wonk! Didn't know you were traveling! 15879. wonkers2 - 7/18/2005 8:01:28 PM Orcas Island yesterday. Ste. Michelle winery yesterday. The wine was good, but it struck me as a wine factory of the type decried in the documentary "Mondovino." It's one of several owned by US Tobacco. The walls were covered with awards from the Wine Spectator. The tour guide gave me a "trip around the world" when I asked who owned the winery, but I weaseled the answer out of a woman at a desk near the door. 15880. thoughtful - 7/18/2005 10:16:09 PM and the other one that drives me nuts every fall is when people say 'foilage' instead of foliage. Though I'm more frequently hearing folage over foliage.
And then being close to NY, there is the perennial ax as in, ax me a question. Just sounds too murderous to me....I don't know...I'll have to ax him!
and can we forget the bostonian perversions where r's are deleted, except when there aren't anything? They don't pronounce shark and shock differently. But no girls are named donna but donnar...and remember jfk talking about missiles in cuber? 15881. thoughtful - 7/18/2005 10:20:13 PM mags, re dog training, the other thing I learned was to preface every command for the dog with the dog's name so they know you're talking to them. We forget how much chatter they hear and they can't be sure when you mean them.
Reminds me of an old NYer cartoon where the dog was sitting and listening to the master in the first frame, labeled "What the master says". Balloon shows master saying, "You're such a good dog, Trixie. You are so sweet, Trixie." Next frame is titled "What the dog hears". Balloon shows dog hearing, "Blah blah blah, Trixie. Blah blah blah, Trixie."
I also used to train my dogs with verbal and hand signals at the same time, so after a fashion, they would respond simply to the hand signals. 15882. prolph - 7/19/2005 1:14:50 AM and how about nuclear? It have been puzzeld that
Carter said nucular and was also a nuclear expert while in the navy.
However I am a seriously poor poster and ask to be forgiven and promise
not to post agaim, I shall return to lurking
gnats.Patsy 15883. arkymalarky - 7/19/2005 1:58:58 AM Oh please don't say that!
15884. Magoseph - 7/19/2005 1:59:17 AM Don’t do just lurk, Patsy—you must know how delighted we all are when we hear from you. 15885. Magoseph - 7/19/2005 2:01:51 AM mags, re dog training, the other thing I learned was to preface every command for the dog with the dog's name so they know you're talking to them. We forget how much chatter they hear and they can't be sure when you mean them.
Great advice, thoughtful, thanks much! 15886. Magoseph - 7/19/2005 2:16:18 AM The very old Frenchman we met Sunday invited us today for lunch—he wanted us to meet a friend of his who knows about real estate and finance. So Flexy was in his splendor having an animated conversation about subjects he loves to talk about while the Frenchman grilled me about my life in this country, This man has spent his life here and in France since he retired. One of his granddaughters wants to emigrate here hence his interest in what I had to say. 15887. Macnas - 7/19/2005 9:52:44 AM You don't want to hear me speak in my local tongue Arky & Ms.No, it'd kill you.
It's said that here in Cork we use a lot of Elizabethan english, especially in the way we structure our sentences. Not knowing a damn thing about Elizabethan english I'm hanged if I can give you a proper example. But I'll try and give you some of the more common oddities:
"I took my lunch to the park"
I brang me lunch to the park
"On the way there, I saw Dave"
And I going there, I see's Dave
"He had his lunch with him too"
He had his lunch and all
I said to him 'is there tea in that flask?'
I says to him 'is that a flask of tay?'
"He looked a bit sick, so I asked him what was the matter"
He was looking poorly, so I asks what ails him
"He said he was feeling fine, just tired from being out the night before"
He says he's grand, only knackered from being on the batter last night
"I asked him if he would go for a drink tonight, but he said "you must be joking!""
I asks him if he'll come out for a few later on, and he says "I will in my eye"
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