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17448. wonkers2 - 11/8/2005 3:28:10 AM Yeah, Macnas, where are you when we need you? And what about iiibbb?. Surely he embodies the values of the wild west! W2's being pecked to death and needs reinforcements. 17449. judithathome - 11/8/2005 3:38:45 AM But he did mention that his daughter is having the cat cremated and plans to keep the ashes in her home. Doesn't that strike you as a bit much?
Not at all...I plan to do the same for my dog.
What's your opinion on heroic veterinary care and cemeteries for pets?
I don't know what you mean by "heroic"...if my dog is ill or in pain, I will definitely have him treated. If he is, in the opinion of my vet, past having a quality of life, I will accept that fact and have him put to sleep. I won't take "heroic" measures to extend his life if he can't enjoy that life or prolong it so I would feel better.
I have no opinon one way or the other on pet cemetaries.
17450. judithathome - 11/8/2005 3:40:39 AM Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how grieving for a pet takes anything away from grieving for relatives/friends.
It's not just you.
17451. wonkers2 - 11/8/2005 4:49:30 AM Judith, Why not go all the way and have him mounted by a taxidermist? 17452. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 11/8/2005 5:15:35 AM Wonk, when people grieve over their loss, pets or persons, they grieve for the loss of their attachment to them. With some people, their attachment to their pet can be deeper. Can't you appreciate or understand that? 17453. Macnas - 11/8/2005 10:59:53 AM Everybody, just relax and have a kitkat or something.
Some people, consider and treat pets as good friends. These people do mourn the loss of a friend when the animal invariably kicks off before they do. Cemetarys and all that stuff is just rich people crap.
And I agree pets can be good friends. If a person is alone or house-bound, then the pet might be the only friend. So, of course someone is going to mourn, or grieve if you like, over the death of that pet, maybe even as much as they would another human. And there is all different variations and levels of this, so, each to his own.
Myself, well, I do look at animals as animals, first and foremost. So I do not get into this whole zoomorphic thing where I see the animal as being like me, thinking like me and feeling like me etc.
I miss dogs when they have to go, (and I have shot the last 3) but not to any great extent. I have a working relationship with my dogs, we train and hunt and have a lot of fun out and about, but at the end of the day, the dog is not coming indoors and having a seat at the table.
So, each to his or her own on the pets thing. Like-said, some folk think of pets as people, some do not. Not a big issue to get in a fight over. 17454. judithathome - 11/8/2005 2:23:03 PM It's 6:20am and it is November and outside, it is 72°. 17455. wonkers2 - 11/8/2005 2:42:14 PM Wiz, yes, I understand that. My objection isn't to the feelings but getting so maudlin about it and, even more, to ridiculous veterinary disposal (funeral, burial, cremation, cloning, etc.) expenses. 17456. wonkers2 - 11/8/2005 2:44:50 PM I recently went to the funeral of my 102-year-old aunt in western Nebraska and encountered less caterwauling than about Loar's daughter's cat. The death of a pet cat in his sleep at 15 is probably a blessing, certainly not a tragedy. Loar whines about his cat, and out comes the Mote's Greek chorus wailing along with him. 17457. Macnas - 11/8/2005 2:52:18 PM Are you sure you wouldn't like a kitkat? 17458. alistairconnor - 11/8/2005 3:20:30 PM Miszoic. That's what you are, Wonk.
Shame on you. 17459. Macnas - 11/8/2005 3:39:26 PM Mis-what? 17460. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 11/8/2005 3:41:24 PM ". . . to ridiculous veterinary disposal (funeral, burial, cremation, cloning, etc.) expenses."
All too true, and people act out when they can't accept the truth; nevertheless, I had a great cat once, and I still miss him and dream of him from time to time. Who can predict what we come to love? 17461. wonkers2 - 11/8/2005 5:55:48 PM Hey, I have a much loved and pampered cat already. The latest of five. And I had a very nice dog once. And I grew up around hunting dogs, German short-haired pointers for pheasants and greyhounds and whippets for coyotes. I certainly am not miszoic although I plead guilty to mismaudlinity. 17462. Macnas - 11/8/2005 5:57:35 PM what the hell does miszoic mean? 17463. wonkers2 - 11/8/2005 6:00:42 PM I don't believe it's a real word. I take it Alistaire invented it to mean someone who hates animals as misanthropes hate people. 17464. Macnas - 11/8/2005 6:06:55 PM Ah. 17465. Jenerator - 11/8/2005 6:18:05 PM Roy Rogers had Trigger stuffed for permanent display.
 17466. wonkers2 - 11/8/2005 6:25:32 PM I assume Trigger is in a museum, not in the living room or den. 17467. Ms. No - 11/8/2005 6:30:28 PM Wonkers,
You're still missing my point. I don't have any investment in how you personally feel about animals, what I thought was outrageous was that you would waltz into the middle of a conversation offering condolences to a fellow Motie and mock him and others for their feelings.
Then you try to explain it by saying you really meant to mock his daughter and then you try to excuse it by blaming Scottloar's generally terse style and then you go back to mocking him for having feelings about a pet. Finally trying to twist everything around to show that people who mourn the loss of pets somehow feel less grief over the loss of human family members.
If you're going to be a tough guy and insult people for their feelings then you really ought not to be such a fucking pussy about it when called to account. Stand up like a man and say "Yeah, I said it and I meant it and I don't give a shit if I hurt somebody's feelings or offended someone because I don't like him anyway."
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