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1875. Ulgine Barrows - 3/6/2007 9:14:27 AM Great, more hospital and ambulance bills arrive daily, for a brother who's older than me.
I am so angry. If I don't get to slap that older brother of mine before he dies, I'll be angrier, still. 1876. judithathome - 3/6/2007 4:04:25 PM Does he live near enough to you so that is an option? 1877. jexster - 5/15/2007 8:51:23 PM Happy Juneteenth for Wonkerstein and the Deetroit PC Polees
 1878. jexster - 5/15/2007 8:52:21 PM Someone mention LSD?
I've taken so much I CAN't remember 1879. wonkers2 - 5/15/2007 8:53:03 PM Cap'n Dirty sez, "Jexter, BITE MY ASS!" 1880. Ulgine Barrows - 8/15/2007 9:50:09 AM Peace Frog, a record of the delightful piece they're going t0 blo0w up this evening. Can it be true? Everyone is staring in one direction. Who's going to be our future? Oh, you're devine! 1881. Ulgine Barrows - 8/15/2007 9:51:47 AM I am so angry at all of you. Blind angry. 1882. Ulgine Barrows - 8/15/2007 9:52:39 AM Stuffing angry. 1883. judithathome - 8/15/2007 5:32:09 PM Really? Why not tell us what we've done? 1884. thoughtful - 10/16/2007 2:52:00 AM My apologies, wabbit, for all the ugliness in the poetry thread. Feel free to move the posts as you see fit. 1885. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/16/2007 3:04:07 AM I wasn't being ugly, tful, I was being sincere and honest. I felt insulted and called you on it.Besides, poetry can be vitriolic and angry. 1886. wabbit - 10/16/2007 4:04:09 PM No apologies necessary from either of you. *Honestly*, I don't understand what got this going to begin with. I'm obviously not reading t'ful the same way WoW does.
And just because I'm in the mood, I'm going to do a bit of bitching.
Just because we don't all react to a given set of circumstances the same way doesn't mean we aren't each being honest. As you pointed out, WoW, context is everything, and each of us brings our own background and experience to this particular table. It also doesn't automatically mean we are trying to insult the person with whom we may not agree (lord knows the insults can fly thick and fast around here). What is true for one person may not be true for the next. I look at my siblings sometimes and wonder how we all came from the same household, we are all so vastly different.
Perhaps we could all be a little less quick to take offense as well. I was rejected for jury duty yesterday, for a case I would dearly loved to have been a juror (forcible child rape). Now, was it because I corrected my name with the court officer, since I am no longer hyphenated? Was it because I have an uncle who is fighting extradition on a similar case? Was it because I am taller than either attorney? Why take everything personally? If someone doesn't like a painting I've made, why should I get defensive? They are entitled to their opinion, and whether or not I think it's an educated or knowledgeable opinion doesn't make one whit of difference.
We should be able to agree to disagree, to put forth our points of view without resorting to name-calling and put-downs. What really pisses me off may not bother someone else one bit. Who's right and who's wrong? Who gets to make that call? All we can do is our best and try to be a little more tolerant of people we don't agree with or understand.
But for those occasions when name-calling cannot be avoided, this is the place, and in keeping with that...
everyone can bite me! 1887. Ms. No - 10/16/2007 5:02:02 PM I'm right, of course. Always.
So bite ME!! 1888. wabbit - 10/16/2007 5:19:56 PM Hey you, you're only right when you agree 100% with ME!! So go have a martini, m'kay? 1889. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/16/2007 6:48:22 PM One point, wabb, this skirmish had absolutely nothing to do with my artwork. 1890. wabbit - 10/16/2007 7:11:52 PM I never said it was about your artwork, and I used my own just an example, WoW. I can't think of a single person who has seen your artwork that hasn't thought it was nothing short of gorgeous. And as beautiful as it is on a computer screen, it is far better in person. Mine, otoh...
I had a roommate who got to decide which of my drawings/paintings could be hung in the public areas of the apartment, and which were unsuitable for public display. Nothing to do with what she liked, mind you, but she could see what would scare people better than I could. I had one guy tell me I should never show anyone that group of paintings, because I would be a suspect in every grisly crime for miles around. A couple teachers couldn't believe they were even mine, because they thought I was "so cheerful", and they worried that I might be seriously depressed and suicidal.
When you say "the secret of painting is to forget one's "self" via the process and to NOT identify with your marks on the canvas", it reminds me why nobody sees my paintings. While I'm never attached to the marks on the canvas, the work is, in the end, all about me. The only time I'm able to forget myself via the process is when I'm learning something new, or doing something specifically requested. Even then, I can still see myself intruding. I don't think it's ego, it's just expression, but I guess it makes me an unsuccessful painter. So if I'm a mere dilettante, ok.
Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding your meaning, much as you might have misunderstood t'ful. 1891. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/16/2007 7:50:05 PM No, not at all, wabb. What I was trying to get at was that it all comes down to a yearning which enables one to loose that sense of self in pursuit of capturing and expressing a state of oneness with the source of inspiration.
Tful is correct about left-brain and right-brain, but there is an integration of every aspect of one's being that resonates with "reality" by means of a skillful illusion. Artists prime the audience's experience and it carries them to a new insight about themselves and the world.
You're probably way too smart and self-conscious to suspend your analytical side. I'm a childish fool who cares only about beauty--maybe because I've witnessed first-hand the kind of ugly tragedy tful alluded to as well.
If I knew she was so fragile, I would have never challenged her the way I did. Nevertheless, I still don't think I misunderstood tful whatsoever. She implied what she implied. 1892. wabbit - 10/16/2007 8:14:49 PM I don't know about being too smart, but you're no doubt right about too self-conscious. Trying to explain that would make for a long, boring story, lol!
You may or may not have misunderstood t'ful. I'm just saying you got something out of what she said that I didn't see there. I read her as being self-deprecating for being so literal minded, rather than critical of your ability to think emotionally and expressively. Chacun à son goût, I suppose. 1893. Seamus - 10/16/2007 8:48:51 PM While I sympathise with your burdens and trials, t'ful, your first comment Message # 5940 in thread 36 came hard on my own statement to Wiz about banishing one's monsters.
In your message you included this:
No illusion in my existence. Fate has made it all too real. and this
Please, gentle people, enjoy your blank canvases and journals. May those monsters bring you a lifetime of pleasure and creative drive, and stave off the likes of mine. I could either choose to believe I was being patronised for my comment or not. I felt the former and haven't seen reason to believe otherwise. I've done with being told my existence is trivial and unworthy because I haven't maxed out in the pain department in comparison to someone else.
Just out of curiousity, why else does one imagine illusion might become a safe place to play in the first place? Because life has been such a cakewalk? I can understand how life can be so severe it leaves no chance for illusion, but taken in moderation, it seems to me that some manner of illusion may actually be helpful.
1894. psychprof - 10/16/2007 10:20:28 PM http://faculty.babson.edu/krollag/org_site/soc_psych/taylor_illusion.html
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