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22268. Ms. No - 7/23/2007 5:12:28 PM I'm taking off either tomorrow or Wednesday because I've got to go over to the University and get my schedule in order etc.
Now I'll be able to tutor in the Learning Annex rather than work to pay my rent. It'll start to put some teaching experience on my resume and then I'll be able to substitute in the Spring and enter the credentialing program in the Summer.
wheee!
Maybe I ought to just go home. It's not like I'm going to get any work done today anyway. ;-> 22269. arkymalarky - 7/23/2007 5:16:31 PM Hey, I just sent you an email about that! CA is different than AR, then, because here you could teach right away, full time, full pay, full benefits. 22270. arkymalarky - 7/23/2007 5:18:27 PM In fact, if you could stand it here, or in a state that has similar policies, you can get your creds and then go back to where you want to permanently locate, possibly with a free MSE. The CA state education department should have the info, if not the ed depts of universities. 22271. Ms. No - 7/23/2007 5:41:53 PM I don't want to uproot again before I get certified and this is kind of a cool program. Their credential is recognized in 30 different states so if I did want to move later on I wouldn't have any problem.
If I went through the university I'd basically be an unpaid teacher for three or four semesters while I go into debt to pay my bills. Project Pipeline means I get hired by a school at a regular salary, with benefits and then the price of the program is deducted from my earnings. I won't be making great money, but enough to live on and without going into debt for it. Plus I'll spend 70% of my time in the classroom teaching rather than in seminars. I'll also be the teacher of record rather than being bounced around to differnt classes.
22272. Ms. No - 7/23/2007 5:44:57 PM Hmmm...that's certainly worth a look if I can't get into the program here. The only thing that would prevent me is if I'm not attractive enough to the schools that need teachers. I'll have less than a full year of substituting and tutoring under my belt and I don't know what competition for places is like. 22273. arkymalarky - 7/23/2007 6:15:36 PM There are a number of poor, high-minority districts who'd give their eye-teeth for a teacher like you. Here and in CA. We're desperate in my district for a music teacher (as you saw in my email--;->) and lots of districts are far moreso than we are. Your program sounds good, especially if it only takes a year. The great thing about AR's MAT program is coming out with the MSE while you teach full time, and the teaching counts as six hours of college credit--as your internship. 22274. arkymalarky - 7/23/2007 6:19:21 PM And if the subject area is a high need one or the area where you teach is high need, the STAR program in AR pays all your tuition. You have to commit for five years, I believe, and it's drawn down for every year you teach until the five years is up. So if you absolutely can't take it, you at least have 20% taken off after one year. I believe that's how it works. It's how some of Bob's loans worked, teaching math in a high-need district. You have to get into the program on the front end, though, which I stupidly didn't do for my MSE. 22275. Ms. No - 7/23/2007 6:28:56 PM So much about that just sounds really cool....but at the same time it'd be hard to move again to a place where I was far from family and friends. It's been one of the best things about being back in Sacramento --- that sense of home and having my closest friends around me again. 22276. Ms. No - 7/23/2007 6:29:25 PM And yes, I got your email and back atcha' 22277. arkymalarky - 7/23/2007 6:35:57 PM Surely CA has something similar. If you have a college degree, most states are enough in need to try to attract non-traditional teachers that they have similar programs. TX is the best--they just throw you in. My poor cousin's son had no clue what he was getting into teaching 7th grade. Of course I didn't either. We were too busy learning about theories and crap like that. It takes about one week to learn your own, mostly connected with survival, and to hell with Vygotsky. 22278. Ms. No - 7/23/2007 6:44:20 PM Ha! Yeah, that's why the university route doesn't appeal to me. I mean, theories are great, but when was the last time any of those professors actually taught K-12 if they ever did? 22279. Ms. No - 7/23/2007 6:45:13 PM My thinking is that there is likely a glut of drama teachers in California simply because of the industry here. There are so many actors around that any of them that CAN teach are doing so. 22280. arkymalarky - 7/23/2007 6:47:48 PM That's true. We certainly don't have a surplus in AR. 22281. wonkers2 - 7/23/2007 7:36:58 PM My daughter-in-law just got a job teaching high school science in a district near Vallejo without having a teaching certificate. She took education classes this summer and will continue taking them part-time until she's certified. I don't know how much she's making, but my son told me she's making more than she would have as a science dept. instructor at Cal Berkely. And I think she'll get a significant increase once she's certified. 22282. arkymalarky - 7/23/2007 7:50:19 PM That sounds like AR. Good luck to her in her first year! Universities often pay less for instructors than a lot of public schools, and many use adjuncts, whose tiny salaries aren't worth the amount of work they do, imo. If you aren't a professor I don't see the appeal, myself, especially in English where there's so much of a grading load with Freshman English classes. 22283. Ms. No - 7/23/2007 8:03:22 PM They're pretty desperate for Science and Math teachers here. They're also starting to relax some of the initial requirements to get teachers into the classrooms --- at least substitutes. I imagine that will quickly extend to full-time teachers as well. I've heard rumers of a projected 2million teacher shortage over the next five years or within the next five years or something.
I assume that's because of Boomers retiring and years of not having as many people entering the teaching force. 22284. wabbit - 7/23/2007 8:32:25 PM Congrats on selling the house! What a relief. 22285. Ms. No - 7/23/2007 9:44:13 PM Yes, immense relief! 22286. arkymalarky - 7/23/2007 9:48:57 PM They hold us hostage here after our retirement eligibility with their insurance program, which is way different from the state employees. Theirs costs around 150 a month after retirement, whereas retired teachers pay over 400. 22287. Ms. No - 7/23/2007 10:31:55 PM good lord.
Maybe by the time I'm ready to retire there will be some sort of national health care system that works. ;->
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