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22825. jexster - 11/4/2007 5:53:12 PM Great idea plays Wonnkers
How about screenplays!
The Beverly Hillbillies! 22826. judithathome - 11/4/2007 8:22:30 PM Surely there's room on that list for some Cheever and Updike...even if it's only short stories. 22827. wonkers2 - 11/4/2007 9:48:20 PM There are lots of good screenplays. The first one that comes to mind is "Glengarry Glen Ross."
Judith, I did mention Updike's "Rabbit Run." I missed Cheever, but I agree he deserves to be on the list. I'm sure I missed quite a few others. One of my favorites is Jorge Amado who died a couple of years ago in his late 80s without getting the Nobel prize that, in my opinion he deserved. Amado's novels may be a bit racy for high schoolers. Many have been made into great R-rated movies, usually starring Sonia Braga, e.g. "Dona Flor and Her Two Husbands."
Thinking of Amado reminds me of another glaring omission--John Steinbeck. He was one of my favorites in high school, especially "Cannery Row" and "Tortilla Flat" which are short easy-reads which may be an advantage for h.s. reading assignments. 22828. wonkers2 - 11/4/2007 9:51:56 PM "Rabbit Run" contains a good message for high school kids--don't peak out too early because life is long. As you may recall, Rabbit was a high school basketball star who had it all as a senior in high school but whose life went down hill after he graduated. 22829. jexster - 11/4/2007 10:27:00 PM Short story collections
Wonk reminds me "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty"
Fuckin Nappy Headed Hill Ho 22830. jexster - 11/5/2007 1:45:10 AM Just reminded by the movie trailer
Beowulf 22831. Ms. No - 11/5/2007 6:12:29 AM Ah, hell, it's a huge list and nowhere near complete. Don't even get me started on plays and I didn't really put any poetry on the list. What high school student has time to read all of this with all the other work they're assigned?
Lord of the Flies
A Clockwork Orange
1984
Farenheit 451
Slaughterhouse Five
Catch 22
The Stranger
Alice in Wonderland & Through the Looking Glass: Annotated
James and the Giant Peach
The Little Prince
A Tale of Two Cities
Jane Eyre
Pride and Prejudice
The Canterbury Tales
The Inferno
Hawthorne: Young Goodman Brown
Hawthorne: The Minister's Black Veil
Don Quixote
Robinson Crusoe
The Count of Monte Cristo
The Picture of Dorian Gray
Frankenstein
Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde
The Time Machine
Poe: The Tell-Tale Heart
Poe: The Raven
Poe: Murders in the Rue Morgue
The Hound of the Baskervilles
Murder on the Orient Express
The Big Sleep
Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
Across Five Aprils
Light in August
To Kill A Mockingbird
Black Like Me
Invisible Man
The Souls of Black Folk
A Raisin in the Sun
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings
Selections from the Epic of Son Jara
The Goophered Grapevine
The Wonderful Tar Baby
The Yellow Wallpaper
The Awakening
On the Road
Flowers for Algernon
Of Mice and Men
A Day No Pigs Would Die
Ineherit the Wind
A Member of the Wedding
The Glass Menagerie
Death of a Salesman or The Crucible
Now I want to go back and start reading everything again.
22832. Ms. No - 11/5/2007 6:20:35 AM Hey, Arky, here's something I have yet to ask anyone: Is the general curriculum for high school English standardized across the nation or is it state by state or, gawd forbid, school by school? I keep meaning to ask and then forgetting and all the high school English teachers I know are online.
I've found info on what students are expected to know at the end of each year, but nothing so far on what literature is focused on in any given year...if they even do it that way anymore.
I attended three different schools in three different states but didn't end up repeating anything, but I don't know if I just got lucky or what.
TX, Fresman: Classical lit & creative writing
CA & NC, Sophomore: Modern American
NC, Junior: Pre-Civil War American
NC, Senior: Brisih Lit
22833. judithathome - 11/5/2007 6:00:51 PM Damn...how could we forget My Pet Goat? 22834. wonkers2 - 11/5/2007 6:18:07 PM Great list, Ms. No. But you didn't include your starring role! 22835. wonkers2 - 11/5/2007 6:20:08 PM I can't imagine how I missed "Catch 22" and "Slaughterhouse Five!" and several of the others. 22836. Ms. No - 11/5/2007 6:39:33 PM Wonk,
I think some of the ideas that LaBute addresses are important and maybe even especially for high school age students, but I'm not convinced that he's actually a great writer. If I'm going to teach something with explicit language and sex I think I'd rather do Shepard or Mamet, and, even then, I don't know that I'd teach it to high school students, not because they don't know what the stuff is but because their parents would likely run me out of town on a rail.
22837. Ms. No - 11/5/2007 6:42:06 PM Looking over all our lists I was thinking what a depressing bunch of literature to read overall. I mean, how many happy endings are there in the whole lot? 22838. wonkers2 - 11/6/2007 12:17:27 AM Life isn't a bowl of cherries. 22839. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 11/6/2007 12:52:51 AM Life is a bowl of olives . . .
22840. arkymalarky - 11/6/2007 2:54:24 AM It's fairly standard to do American lit in 11th grade and British lit in 12th--"world lit"--defined very loosely--in 10th. Otherwise the states have frameworks and school to school they are supposed to follow them. Ours are here (pdf): AR English curriculum frameworks
AP courses have their own standards which can be found on the College Board website. To teach an AP course you have to submit a syllabus and they must approve it. I was glad to have both AP English and AP Euro History approved without having to redo, which is fairly common. And Bob's AP Calculus was approved on the first round, as well. It's a one-time thing, thank goodness. 22841. arkymalarky - 11/6/2007 2:56:07 AM Within all that, btw, you have wide latitude in selecting the lit you teach, restrained only by your budget and textbooks and/or the community in which you teach--which is a huge restraint in some cases. 22842. jexster - 11/6/2007 4:55:41 AM Say Wonks, didn't I see a picture of you dressed up in one of those Paki Secret Police uniforms somewhere????
This thread right?
 22843. jexster - 11/6/2007 4:58:25 AM Arky..back in the day in rural Lurziana, I took all the advanced courses they offered in high school in the 9th grade so I could qualify for preppie boarding school
1. Algebra
2. World Lit
3. Intro French
4. Civics
That was it...the rest was ag and home economics!!
You should thank the Huck for doing such a fine job in educating the young people of Arkansas 22844. arkymalarky - 11/6/2007 5:25:57 AM Hahaha! Huck wanted to expand the curriculum and water it down to the point we'd all be able to take underwater basket weaving. What a shame he didn't get his way.
And you know, I read every version of the bill he tried to worm through the legislature. The first was almost 200 pages long, and the last was around 70. I like to think I may have played a small part in getting it defeated.
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