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2671. PelleNilsson - 2/15/2005 8:17:04 PM

From the Archives – Draft Final Report

Time to sum up. The central person is

Johanna Dorothea Smedén, born 1820 in Stockholm, dead 1876 in Ljusne from "the water sickness", edema often caused by a heart malfunction..

Married for the first time 1844 to Lars Petter Sundgren, sea captain, born 1822 in Söderhamn dead at sea some time between 28 sep 1852 and 22 Feb 1854 (see Note 1). Lars Petter's parents were Lars Sundgren, also a sea captain, born 1795 in Söderhamn, dead 1841 in Ljusne, and Brita-Stina Brändström, born 1797, place of birth unreadable, date of death unknown (not researched).

Married for the second time 1855 to the tailor Erik Eriksson, born 1831 in Ljusne and dead there in 1862 from consumption.

Children in reverse order of age.

With Erik Eriksson:

Matilda, born 1856.Served as maid after the death of here mother. Married the labourer Per Norman in Ljusne in 1881. Two children by 1885.

Maria Erika, born 1855 After the death of her mother in 1876 she is listed as "Not in the parish (Stockholm?)".Evidently she moved out without caring about the paperwork (see Note 2). In 1884 she is delisted in Ljusne with a note that she lives in what is now the Old Town in Stockholm.

Two more children dead in infancy.

With Lars Petter Sundgren:

Axel Leonard, born 1853, served as handyman and, perhaps, as a blacksmith apprentice (the note is indecipherable) in Söderhamn until 1979 when he emigrated. Then stated destination was Bishopshill but the US 1880 census has him in Moline, Iowa, occupation blacksmith.

Johanna, born 1850, from 1870 maid servant in various household in Ljusne among them the midwife Sofia Fröberg, perhaps an early feminist: she (the midwife) had three illegitimate children Sometime in the late 1870s Johanna had established herself as a seamstress because she is listed as such in the book that begins 1881. She left Sweden from Göteborg (Gothenburg) on 24 Jun 1881 with stated destination Moline. The reason I didn't find her at first is a transcription error. She is listed in the emigrant database as Johanna Lundgren. This can happen. The 'L' and 'S' are very similar in 19th century handwriting. But there can be no doubt. The parish, the age, the date compared to the parish records fit and the destination makes sense since her younger brother was there.

Kristina, born 1845, married 1863 to the tailor Karl Olsson. Five children.

I couldn't find any suitable (in terms of age) John Malm in the emigrant records. The problem here is that there are many Swedish names which start with Malm-; Malmgren, Malmlöv, Malmstedt, Malmsten to name some that come to mind. Our John can have decided to drop the last part.

My wife just came home and we are going to have a bit to eat. I will draft and post the notes later tonight.

2672. PelleNilsson - 2/15/2005 10:11:54 PM

Note 1
I'm puzzled by Johanna Dorotheas illegitimate child because it falls outside the expected behaviour of a middle-class widow. Now consider the timeline.

(1) 28 Sep 1852 Lars Petter (Per) writes from Newcastle where he waits for favourable winds.
(2) 22 Feb 1854 Per is noted as dead at sea.
(3) Oct 1854 Erik Eriksson and Johanna Dorothea conceives their daughter Maria Erika born 22 Jun 1855. At that time they are described as betrothed..
(4) 2 Dec 1855. They marry.

Then assume that Per was known to be missing, presumed dead, at a much earlier date than October 1854 but that there was a mandatory legal delay between "presumed dead" and "declared dead". A sea-faring community like Söderhamn/Ljusne must reasonably have developed a sub-set of the normal social code to handle situations like this. So maybe the child was not at all seen as scandalous.

Note 2
Someone who moved into a parish would have to present himself or herself at the vicarage and turn over the migration certificate obtained at the parish of origin. But Stockholm was growing very rapidly at the time and the church could not keep up with its control function. It would have been easy to take up residence in Stockholm without papers.

2673. SnowOwl - 2/15/2005 10:17:53 PM

Pelle, this is really fascinating stuff. Thanks for all your hard work.

2674. SnowOwl - 2/15/2005 10:19:37 PM

It appears that Sweden is going to be home (at least temporarily) to another of my children. My youngest daughter is heading that way later this year to do a bit of nannying for her big brother and family when his wife returns to work.

2675. thoughtful - 2/15/2005 11:04:36 PM

good job, pelle. I'm amazed at your patience for exploring all this stuff and amazed at the detailed records kept over the years. Very neat.

2676. wonkers2 - 2/16/2005 12:32:20 AM

Thanks again, Pelle! I'm glad you haven't found any really bad skeletons in my family closet! At least no inventors of TNT, or Swedish match kings or the like. :-)

2677. thoughtful - 2/17/2005 9:16:37 PM

On my morning constitutional, I saw a raccoon. Looked a little young but not a real baby....more adolescent....looked way too tame. S/he was kinda curled up behind a tree stump looking at me....looking at me a little forlornly. I didn't see any obvious signs of disease or illness like foaming at the mouth or any signs of derangement. Rather it looked a little lost and in need of help. I hated doing it, but I just looked back for a little while and then walked on.

Driving to work I spotted a fat raccoon dead in the road maybe 1/2 mi from where I spotted the other one. Maybe Mom got hit and the little one is lonely and scared. Don't know, but it bothered me. I know it's best to leave nature to it's own, but it tugged at my heart strings. I'm hoping, if that's the case, that it is old enough to figure out life on it's own. Raccoons are pretty smart that way.

2678. uzmakk - 2/27/2005 5:31:47 PM

I bought
this radio last fall and highly recommend it to anyone who is in the market for such a thing. Portable, rechargable battery, great sound, sensitive tuner. Among my excuses for the purchase was that I didn't have a radio to take camping.

2679. PelleNilsson - 2/27/2005 9:12:29 PM

A 3.5 lbs contraption for camping? One assumes you hire carrier-wallahs for your expeditions.

Snowing in the east:


Snowing in the west:


And clearing up:

2680. jayackroyd - 2/27/2005 9:15:54 PM

I was wondering if anybody knows about silver place settings. This is a set of six with the serving utensils shown:



I can't tell whether it is plate or solid silver. The fork has a pair of symbols, an equilateral triangle on one of its points followed by what looks like a carrot laid on its side followed by a sideways 4, "800",a sickle moon and then a crown. The manufacturer is Baden Pforzheim, and it is pretty certainly pre-WWII. The question is whether to sell the stuff or just give it to the local thrift store.

2681. PelleNilsson - 2/27/2005 9:24:10 PM

Only the fork?

2682. jayackroyd - 2/27/2005 9:31:23 PM

Sorry, I got the order of the symbols wrong.

Sideways 4, "800", sickle moon, crown, carrot, triangle is the correct order.

2683. jayackroyd - 2/27/2005 9:31:42 PM

The fork has the largest number of symbols.

2684. SnowOwl - 2/27/2005 9:42:51 PM

There's some information about hallmarks here:

German hallmarks.

The fact that it is hallmarked with the silver purity included suggest that it is solid. The crown and crescent appear on all German silver post 1884 - that's the State mark.

2685. jayackroyd - 2/27/2005 10:09:40 PM

Thanks SnowOwl. That link was very helpful.

2686. jayackroyd - 2/27/2005 10:10:27 PM

It seems that this stuff was actually manufactured by Bremer Silberwarenfabrik. The Baden Pforzheim was on one of the serving utensils, which may be a ringer.

2687. judithathome - 2/27/2005 10:19:24 PM

Don't give it away, whatever you do.

2688. Ronski - 2/28/2005 12:42:17 AM

Our house, a few days ago.



2689. Ronski - 2/28/2005 12:43:07 AM

And more snow on the way. The groundhog called it right.

2690. alistairconnor - 2/28/2005 12:22:48 PM

Back from the hot New Zealand summer, I spent two and a half hours this morning getting the kids to school and myself to work. Usually takes me an hour, but I got stuck in three different places, and had to dig myself out of the snow with an aluminium frying pan.

I was pleased to have survived the 40-hour return journey pretty well, but now I'm exhausted.

I enjoy contrasts. Up to a point.

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