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27429. PincherMartin - 6/30/2013 11:04:09 PM Do The Mote liberals deliberately capture and train the stupidest conservatives on the planet and then let them loose to roam around the forum making everyone else feel smarter?
27430. PincherMartin - 6/30/2013 11:08:00 PM My name's Ibby. I'm a conservative. Or at least I used to be, back when the Republican Party was represented by sane conservatives like Ronald "Raygun" Reagan and not by dangerously conservative men like the promoter of Romneycare and John "Amnesty" McCain. 27431. arkymalarky - 6/30/2013 11:19:34 PM I'm cleaning out our storage areas upstairs while listening to daft punk and trying to figure out whether lugging this stuff to a suitable location for a garage sale is worth it. The more I work the more I think not.
My goal for the summer is everything in its proper place and for a lot of things that's going to be the garbage. 27432. arkymalarky - 6/30/2013 11:20:34 PM My parents are almost home from CO. I'll miss it but there was just no way to go this summer. 27433. iiibbb - 6/30/2013 11:31:57 PM I voted for McCain over Bush. Certainly could not vote for Palin anything.
Could not vote for Romney because it's men like him that caused our economy to falter.
Have voted for many republicans 27434. PincherMartin - 6/30/2013 11:35:24 PM My name's Ibby. I'm a conservative. I couldn't vote for Mitt Romney because he didn't give the proper respect to six-year-old transgenders - not like Ronald Reagan would have.
But then Ronald knew Rock Hudson. He know it wasn't a choice, but an identity. 27435. judithathome - 6/30/2013 11:36:27 PM and who once said he wasn't a Ronald Reagan Republican because Ronnie was too extreme.
So? All we had to do was wait a few days and he'd change his tune...as he did on so many issues. Some within hours of statements he'd make. 27436. PincherMartin - 6/30/2013 11:41:50 PM So?
Not like that Barack Obama and opposing gay marriage or closing Guantanamo or following campaign finance reform or not extending the Bush tax cuts...
Model of consistency, our president. 27437. iiibbb - 6/30/2013 11:43:46 PM I've got nothing to prove though. Conservatives can't figure out that issues like gay marriage are dead ends for them and have nothing to do with small government 27438. PincherMartin - 6/30/2013 11:47:24 PM Who said conservatives should only be concerned about small government? Is that a rule from your Conservative Party of One handbook, ibby?
27439. bhelpuri - 7/1/2013 1:00:43 AM Monkey boy lonely. No one play with Monkey boy so he smears himself with shit. Monkey boy smells very bad. Go away, Monkey boy! 27440. PincherMartin - 7/1/2013 1:00:57 AM Judith earlier asked me about the details of my bet with Alistair.
On June 12th, 2008, I posted a link in TPW's Poopstain thread about scientists worrying that civilization would collapse if our society didn't get things turned around in the next decade.
Alistair Conner (Muffin McLay) responded the next day, and the discussion was on. Sometime later that day he put out this fateful post that sealed his doom:
"I'll tell you what. You lay out your position, I'll lay out mine. We can have an acrimonious debate, or we can skip that part."
"Then we come back and revisit the subject in five years."
"You like that?"
I love making these kinds of bets against these kinds of fools, but I didn't respond directly right away. Like a good fisherman, I was patient. I knew I had to let the fish take more of the hook before I set it.
A day later I was rewarded when Alistair went off on a very long and detailed series of posts describing in full detail the dopey depths of his environmental lunacy.
I toyed with him for a few more posts, goading him into throwing his wallet at me, before I finally set the terms:
Okay, here are two bets on which I wager $500 each (in 2013 terms). If you are game, I'll up the ante.
*****
Rather than Exxon stock, let's bet on the price of oil. I assume that is what you think is solely driving Exxon's stock price, anyway.
I wager that a barrel of oil, in inflation-adjusted terms, will cost less than $140 by July 2013. Just to be clear, that's in U.S. dollars.
As for the Euro, I bet that, by July 2013, one U.S. dollar will buy more than 0.65 of a Euro.
Deal?
Alistair agreed, but changed the currency for each bet to 500 euros rather than 500 US dollars.
continued...27441. PincherMartin - 7/1/2013 1:01:38 AM Two parts of what would eventually be a three-part bet were set.
1) By July 2013, a barrel of oil will cost more/less than $140 in inflation-adjusted terms. The wager? €500. Alistair takes the over. Pincher takes the under.
The result? A barrel of WTI crude today costs $96.56, while a barrel of Brent costs $102.10. That's even without adjusting for inflation. Using a crude inflation calculator, it appears Alistair needed oil at $150 a barrel today to win the bet.
So Alistair was only off by $50 a barrel. At least he was close, right? ;-)
Pincher wins €500.
2) By July 2013, one U.S. dollar will buy more/less than 0.65 of a Euro. The wager. €500. Alistair takes the under. Pincher takes the over.
The result? One US dollar today can buy 0.7687 of a Euro.
I'd like to tell you this wager was more competitive than our bet on oil, but Alistair never really led after the first few months.
Pincher wins €500.
continued.... 27442. bhelpuri - 7/1/2013 1:05:14 AM PP,
As a veteran of roughly a billion strenuous debates here, there and everywhere, let me tell you that PMS only _resembles_ a decent debater. It is posing, it is chickenshit that can be wiped clean with a tissue in one second. To me, of course, it is also deeply boring. One comes to these sites for entertainment, and to connect with old friends, after all. PMS delivers zero. 27443. bhelpuri - 7/1/2013 1:10:06 AM Finally, I have written (and been paid handsomely for) thousands and thousands of words about my well-timed move from NYC.
And many times this past couple of years have thought about sharing these particular narratives - after all my posts here were kind of a first draft! - but it is precisely the festering, stalking presence of the likes of PMS that detracts... 27444. bhelpuri - 7/1/2013 1:13:56 AM If I were Connor - dear old Father of the Motion - I would recommend a donation in Monkey Boy's name to the nearest Gay Marriage advocacy group. You know that's what he/it really wants... 27445. PincherMartin - 7/1/2013 1:14:46 AM The final part of our bet was made the following year. After our initial €1000 bet, Muffin was very confident I would lose. I think he called it "easy money".
Alistair was a big believer in peak oil. Despite all the news about recent discoveries of new oil reserves, he was sure the global supply would go down.
So the tie-breaker for our previous two-part bet was agreed to in October of 2009.
3) By the time the world production figures for 2012 have been released by the EIA, it will have been demonstrably proven that annual oil production did not peak in 2008. That means, in either 2009, 2010, 2011, 0r 2012, world oil production figures will reach a new record high. The wager? €500. Alistair takes the under. Pincher takes the over.
While this was the last wager Alistair and I would make, it was the first one I won. According to the EIA, global oil production hit record highs in 2010, 2011, and again in 2012.
Pincher wins the final €500 for game, set, and match.
27446. PincherMartin - 7/1/2013 1:18:30 AM bhel,
You're an excellent writer, but you couldn't debate your way out of a paper bag.
For some fascinating reason, the talents you were born with to write first-rate prose have left you without any comprehension of logic or the ability to weigh competing evidence. I can't recall a single debate in the history of this forum that you contributed anything beyond a few pretty words. 27447. arkymalarky - 7/1/2013 1:19:00 AM Oooh Bhel, don't let that deprive us of a great read! 27448. bhelpuri - 7/1/2013 1:20:06 AM Dude (i3b3) those gimp images are seriously disturbing. More disturbing even is the thought PMS might get near a baby. A human baby, I mean. Baboons are nasty!
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