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27607. iiibbb - 8/11/2013 12:41:52 PM Look, my original post was directed to the open hostility against children - rather than the issue of feral children. The fair answer is no kids in restaurants after 7. Kids aren't dogs; sometimes they have to be with you. One cannot simply drop out of society to appease those with weak stomachs for kids.
My wife and I got caught in a travel delay hell with our 1 yr old. Plans to change him at the gate were dashed by sprints to gates and 14 hours strait in airports and airplanes on what should have taken less than half that. Then one flight the lavatory child station was broken... kid has a major poop. We changed him on our seats. I have it to a science so it took probably less than a minute, but I have little doubt that the odor and perceived mess bothered somebody.
Well you know what... B had been an absolute trooper thant day.. but 14 hours with very little time to stretch is not easy on a 1 yr old. That was a marathon. I have no sympathy for anyone put off by my parenting that day.
I saw a woman with a stack of groceries she probably spent an hour collecting in the grocery store saddled with a toddler in meltdown stage. People talk about removing kids from these venues, but do I expect that woman to abandon an hours work to appease those around her? Is she a bad parent? Hell no.
And one thing about hard discipline. It only works on some kids. Ignoring outbursts is a lot of times the best way to deal with it. Kids do try to provoke parent responses in order to gain any kind of attention. They are quite perceptive, can be quite manipulative, and they don't learn anything overnight.
I cut people slack for their infractions on decorum every single day. I have a kid; sometimes he's a burden to those around me. Oh well. Whatever discomfort they're feeling I get to feel 10x over.
So yes. I am defiant. Want a quiet dinner. Go out after 7pm; That should be well after anyone with snot-nosed brats would be out, and probably before the next table has gotten too drunk. 27608. thoughtful - 8/11/2013 1:17:55 PM Actually, instead, in our area, next to handicap spots are reserved spots for families with strollers or parents with small children, making a special place for them. 27609. thoughtful - 8/30/2013 1:46:02 PM Honest opinion needed.
On another forum I posted the following:
I feel badly for these kids who are raised on rap and hip hop and miss the moving sensation you can get from a beautiful melody...the chills, your socks rolling up and down.
I was accused of being judgmental. Was I? 27610. ricknelson - 8/30/2013 2:10:57 PM http://www.guante.info/p/spoken-word-videos-i-like_3.html
There's no correct answer thoughtful. Not imho. We have different experiences which shape our views. What I just wrote does evoke that a pause is needed when evaluating others.
If you peruse the link I've given, you can see the point of view of one or many who live their lives within the context of Hip Hop or Rap. I like that link because it's author is very thoughtful and has seemed considerate.
Don't worry about an opinion, they're changeable. 27611. ricknelson - 8/30/2013 2:12:16 PM Now, I'm off to the Great Minnesota get together, our State Fair.
Awesome to check in. Best wishes to all! 27612. iiibbb - 8/30/2013 2:31:25 PM Although rap and hip hop are not my cup of tea... they are legitimate forms... but a lot of it sucks. I don't hate all of it, some of it is gold, but I don't like it enough to listen to a station that specializes in it.
But... if that's all they're getting exposed to, then they are indeed missing out.
27613. judithathome - 8/30/2013 5:17:45 PM Well, the music they listen to speaks to their experience.
It's like "modern" art...does nothing for me but for some people, it speaks as thoroughly to them as religion. 27614. iiibbb - 8/30/2013 6:23:36 PM I have broad musical taste. Some of the rap and hip-hop is really quite good; but it's not going to appeal to everyone, and probably very hard to give a tour of it.
My least favorite genres are pop country (well pop anything) and smooth jazz **shudder** 27615. arkymalarky - 8/30/2013 10:54:44 PM Haha! I tend to agree with you 3i. Everybody who dismisses an art form out of hand misses something, including those who dismiss rap. There's some amazing stuff out there and being fond of wordsmiths, I like lot of it. 27616. thoughtful - 8/31/2013 12:31:27 AM Well, I didn't think I was judging anyone...only making an observation, in the same way someone may feel badly for me because I can't appreciate rap. 27617. thoughtful - 8/31/2013 12:32:26 AM Hah! I like smooth jazz! 27618. arkymalarky - 8/31/2013 1:22:40 AM my guilty pleasure is new age. 27619. thoughtful - 8/31/2013 1:24:51 AM Love new age! It's like a day long meditation. 27620. arkymalarky - 8/31/2013 1:38:24 AM Right! I love Asian and Indian meditation music too. 27621. ricknelson - 8/31/2013 2:57:34 PM I discovered Kenny Neal yesterday at the Minnesota State Fair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWVBFeVeUN8 27622. arkymalarky - 8/31/2013 3:08:53 PM I like it! Blues is one of those things I feel like I'm supposed to like and I just really don't, but jazzy blues like that I really like a lot. 27623. judithathome - 8/31/2013 5:12:35 PM You want relaxation, try Gregorian chant. 27624. Jenerator - 9/3/2013 8:41:52 PM Hilarious read in the New York Times!!!!
Explaining Twerking to Your Parents 27625. wabbit - 9/11/2013 1:56:54 PM Happy birthday to us - 14 years old today. Unbelievable. 27626. Ms. No - 9/11/2013 3:56:49 PM Yes, indeed!
I just realized that I've known some of you for going on 17 years.
I got to the Fray in August of '96, and I still remember the issue that brought me in. It was the Florida teens who had removed the stop-sign from the intersection and a fatal accident resulted. I don't remember who all was involved in that discussion other than Trialshark, but I was hooked after my first foray.
I remember when we got sidelined and sent into the dusty basement of Slate and then when they gave us the kill date and we launched off on our own. Fourteen years later, we aren't nearly the hoppin' joint we were, but I'm still glad to know you all, and I still value my time here.
Big sloppy kisses, y'all!
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