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28172. Adam Selene - 4/18/2006 1:22:54 AM Pelle,
I'll give it a go on a trial basis, if that's acceptable.
So turn me on! 28173. alistairconnor - 4/18/2006 8:44:32 AM You pissing on my parade Jex? Procule been relegated to the Second Division or something?
Don't tell the locals, there'll be a riot. 28174. PelleNilsson - 4/18/2006 9:18:49 AM OK, Adam, you're on. To access the hosting tools go here and log in with your usual userID and password. There are hosting guidelines but I don't have them on my box. I have asked the other moderators to send them to you at your comcast address. 28175. Adam Selene - 4/18/2006 6:10:53 PM Ok, I guess it's official - I'm the new mod for this thread.
Now, how an atheist ended up as mod on a religion and philosophy thread I'll never know....
The only thing I ask is that everyone avoid attacking or ridiculing any particular individual here for their beliefs. It's bad enough to make fun of someone's political persuasion, but more wars have been started over religion. The idea is to educate, learn, and celebrate our "meta-life," not to convert anyone or shame anyone.
That being said... I doubt that anyone will ever know I was here except as a participant. 28176. arkymalarky - 4/18/2006 6:19:00 PM We appreciate you doing this, Adam. This place is really made functional by people who are willing to help with thread hosting, even if they are nearly invisible. 28177. uzmakk - 4/18/2006 7:11:40 PM Selene,
Why shouldn't you be host; meta-life is a metaphysicophilosophicoohsoreligiousoh idea. 28178. uzmakk - 4/18/2006 7:13:06 PM Atheist, my ass. 28179. alistairConnor - 4/18/2006 7:15:16 PM You have an ass too, as well as the ponies?
I'm not surprised he's an atheist. There is something profoundly sceptical about a donkey. 28180. uzmakk - 4/18/2006 7:28:03 PM Hee-haw, I certainly do. 28181. uzmakk - 4/18/2006 7:31:50 PM And, of course, his name is Atheist. Hup hup...excuse me...I think we're off and running. 28182. Adam Selene - 4/18/2006 7:37:23 PM Thanks, Arky.
Thanks uzmakk... uhh...
Well, if you're serious about your doubts, I'd realistically say I'm about 2% agnostic, 98% atheist. Is that better? I mean, I'm almost sure I'm an atheist. I certainly haven't met a religion yet that I didn't find absurd, but I do have a lingering sense that there are other kinds of consiousness - like, for example, a brain cell would feel as part of our minds. No identity, but just a part of something bigger. And who knows - if time is really infinite (and there is no big crunch coming without a periodic bang... and there is no endless entropic expansion....) then we should all meet again in endless variations. 28183. uzmakk - 4/18/2006 8:46:40 PM Oh meh God. 28184. Adam Selene - 4/19/2006 1:54:00 AM You hava a God? Who knew? ;) 28185. Adam Selene - 4/19/2006 1:25:11 PM I have a question for this crowd.
[b]Is it possible to create an "artifical" intelligence that is not really artificial, but just as real as you or me?[/b]
In other words, would an artificial life ever be accepted as equal to another person? I guess that in the world where even infidels and minus-one-day-old kids are "not human," perhaps this is asking too much. But is it even conceivable? 28186. Adam Selene - 4/19/2006 1:25:36 PM (Oh, how I wish for an edit button....) 28187. iiibbb - 4/19/2006 4:08:59 PM I think for artificial inteligence to be "real" it would have to cross some undefinable (by me) boundary where the algorithms used to create it no longer define it.
28188. Adam Selene - 4/19/2006 4:36:53 PM iiibbb, so, you think it's feasible? Even if "god" didn't "breath life" into it, and it didn't have a "soul," you'd still grant it all the rights and respect that we give human life?
Here's the kicker... would you convict someone to the death penalty for killing it? 28189. iiibbb - 4/19/2006 6:19:50 PM Given the way we have figured out technology I certainly think it is feasible... I'm not sure how we will impliment technology... perhaps the boundary between organic and silicon will become very clouded. Perhaps you could argue that we might not be able to do it without God's hand... and then is it our creation or Gods (are test-tube babies, our creation or God's? Are clones, our creation or God's?...)
Before we can really say whether we will successfully cross the boundary, we must define the boundary or boundaries that define thought and consciousness.
Some would argue life must be self-aware... it must replicate... it must adapt/evolve without guidance from the creator. It must be somewhat unpredictible.
I think the vision that closest matches my vision of what such a technology would be like is that of Blade Runner... the androids appear to be as much organic as inorganic... obviously using DNA as their platform.
Interesting philosphical question about penalizing someone for killing it. Quite difficult for me to get my head around that one. It probably quite depends on the circumstances and how much of a realization of true consciousness I guess.
Blade-Runner does a good job with this question too. I think human nature would respond to it across a spectrum of those who look at it as a product, to those who look at it as real, to those who fear it. 28190. sakonige - 4/19/2006 6:57:07 PM Is it possible to create an "artifical" intelligence that is not really artificial, but just as real as you or me?
sure. You can see a range of intelligence and self-awareness in animals. At some point in that continuum, you begin to feel empathy for the organism. That's when it becomes as real to you as you or me. The same would hold true for artifacts. At some level of machine self-awareness, you would begin to empathize. You would know how the thing felt. 28191. sakonige - 4/19/2006 7:03:03 PM I've got a cat resting his cheek on my wrist that is an incredibly complex, loving, and intelligent being. He's as "real" as you or me.
The little spider making its way down the window screen is real, too.
The moss at the edge of the flowerbed, it's alive, but just barely aware.
The computer on the desk is only animated.
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