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28335. judithathome - 5/22/2006 6:22:00 PM And the casting is misguided and the plot sucks, according to other reviews. 28336. wonkers2 - 5/23/2006 5:22:54 PM The Campaign to Defend the Constitution has a full page ad in today's papers captioned "MEET AMERICA'S MOST INFLUENTIAL STEM CELL SCIENTISTS" followed by pictures of
Rev. Pat Robertson--"Before long, we'll be harvesting body parts from fully formed people. Onec you begin this utilitarian use of cells, then everything is up for grabs."
Rev. Jerry Falwell--"...the President was right to ban federal money going to this dangerous and unethical research."
James Dobson--"Experiments on the blastocytes, which are fertilized eggs, has a Nazi-esque aura to it." 28337. jexster - 5/27/2006 10:25:24 PM How much for Kosher Meat?
18th Century Tolerance: George Washington willing to buy Jewish or Atheist workers
By John Stuart Blackton
We should not over-romanticize the liberal-mindeness amongst the political lights of America’s early years.
Michelle Goldberg is quite clear-eyed about the Founders, but I sense an element of historical mistiness in some of the threads that have accompanied the discussion this week.
There was a certain worldly pragmatism that infused the religious tolerance of our eighteenth century forbears.
Consider George Washington’s open-mindedness about buying a new bricklayer for his farm at Mount Vernon. Washington writes to ask a friend and business colleague, Tench Tilghman, to buy such a craftsman for him at a sale in Baltimore, and indicates that he does not mind if the man purchased happens to be a Jew, a Muslim or an Atheist – so long as he is young, strong and reliable.
George Washington to Tench Tilghman
Mount Vernon, March 24, 1784.
Dear Sir:
I am informed that a Ship with Palatines is gone up to Baltimore, among whom are a number of Trademen. I am a good deal in want of a House Joiner and Bricklayer, (who really understand their profession) and you would do me a favor by purchasing one of each, for me.
I would not confine you to Palatines. If they are good workmen, they may be of Asia, Africa, or Europe. They may be Mahometans, Jews or Christian of an Sect, or they may be Atheists.
I would however prefer middle aged, to young men and those who have good countenances and good characters on ship board, to others who have neither of these to recommend them, altho, after all, the proof of the pudding must be in the eating.
I do not limit you to a price, but will pay the purchase money on demand. This request will be in force 'till complied with, or countermanded, because you may not succeed at this moment, and have favourable ones here after to do it in.
My best respects, in which Mrs. Washington joins, are presented to Mrs. Tilghman and Mrs. Carroll. and I am etc.
Mount Vernon, March 24, 1784
Blackton is posting to a VERY illuminating series on Michelle Goldberg's book on fundamentalist christian nationalist freaks (Left Behind crowd) at TPMCafe Kingdom Coming
Bio: Senior Foreign Service officer and a veteran of four years' Army service in Indochina.
After leaving the Foreign Service he joined the faculty of the National War College as professor of National Security Policy
Blackton currently works as an international consultant on security and governance issues, particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan.
His clients include the United Nations, the World Bank, the European Union, the German Bundeswehr, and other international organizations.
Those were the days...to be a gay Virginia gentleman 28338. arkymalarky - 5/29/2006 12:52:47 AM All right, Kuligin. Come out of lurk mode and tell us all your scoop about Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. 28339. Adam Selene - 5/29/2006 3:02:09 AM Angelina Jolie? hmm...I just watched her in GIA on dvd.
Yum. Dangerously Yum. Was she acting or is that just her in the flesh (as it were?)
Oh, wait - wrong thread. This goes under movies... or sexuality? Not sure. 28340. arkymalarky - 5/29/2006 3:38:59 AM What's GIA? 28341. Adam Selene - 5/29/2006 4:32:45 AM Gia on Netflix
Angelina Jolie is mesmerizing in her breakout role as supermodel Gia Carangi, a cover girl who lived fast and died at age 26 from the ravages of AIDS. This fact-based Home Box Office film (which won an Emmy and two Golden Globes, among other awards) follows Gia from busing tables at her father's diner to the glamorous world of high-fashion photography and finally to her downward spiral into drugs and toxic relationships. Faye Dunaway co-stars. 28342. jexster - 5/31/2006 1:21:15 AM In Salon an interesting interview..
Going beyond God
Historian and former nun Karen Armstrong says the afterlife is a "red herring," hating religion is a pathology and that many Westerners cling to infantile ideas of God By Steve Paulson 28343. jexster - 5/31/2006 8:49:48 PM The WackedOut "chrisitan" heretics will NOT be left behind..
A new video game coming out...blood guts guns and violence for GOD
Yes indeeed Jen and her offspring can play a real family game together slaughering musllms, fags, jews/..you name it..on their way to meet their "lord" in the air
Coming Soon 28344. Adam Selene - 6/1/2006 12:21:07 AM Excellent link for Karen Armstrong's article. I must say I totally agree with her. Although I do cringe at the "opiate of the masses" implications - but beyond that I think she's on to something real in her interpretation. 28345. wonkers2 - 6/1/2006 1:42:34 AM I liked Karen Armstrong's piece, too. She seems like a pretty tolerant lady and so does her religion. Too bad her stuff can't be bottled or put in the drinking water. 28346. jexster - 6/1/2006 2:49:34 AM Yea she's great. Never heard of her. Dollars to donuts our nearly departing Bishop Swing has. He's off on his United Religions thing which I half jokingly refer to as his campaign to be Pope of the Universe.
The Coming United Religions by +William E. Swing 28347. Adam Selene - 6/7/2006 3:02:16 AM Today is 6/6/6, and no one has anything to say about it? 28348. judithathome - 6/7/2006 4:18:34 AM What? D-day, the sixth of June? What's to say? ;-) 28349. Ulgine Barrows - 6/7/2006 7:16:11 AM 28347. Adam Selene - 6/7/2006 3:02:16 AM
Today is 6/6/6, and no one has anything to say about it?
scritchy scritchy bitey bitey on your back, beastie. 28350. Adam Selene - 6/7/2006 11:53:08 PM Ulgine... you give me shivers.... 28351. Ulgine Barrows - 6/10/2006 9:03:41 AM The wars you bring, the babes you drown.
Those lost at sea and never found,
And its the same the whole world round.
-XTC
my brother's dead, I think
Haven't heard from him in 9 years
Mother: No thugs in our house!
Father: No thugs in our house!
28352. jexster - 6/16/2006 4:33:50 AM Sweet Sacrament divine,
hid in thine earthly home;
lo! round thy lowly shrine,
with suppliant hearts we come;
Jesus, to thee our voice we raise
In songs of love and heartfelt praise
sweet Sacrament divine.
Sweet Sacrament of peace,
dear home of every heart,
where restless yearnings cease,
and sorrows all depart.
there in thine ear, all trustfully,
we tell our tale of misery,
sweet Sacrament of peace.
Sweet Sacrament of rest,
ark from the ocean's roar,
within thy shelter blest
soon may we reach the shore;
save us, for still the tempest raves,
save, lest we sink beneath the waves:
sweet Sacrament of rest.
Sweet Sacrament divine,
earth's light and jubilee,
in thy far depths doth shine
the Godhead's majesty;
sweet light, so shine on us, we pray
that earthly joys may fade away:
sweet Sacrament divine.
The Feast of Corpus Christi
June 15 28353. jexster - 6/19/2006 3:56:55 AM Habemus Primette
Woman Is Named Episcopal Leader
COLUMBUS, Ohio, June 18 — The Episcopal Church elected Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori of Nevada as its presiding bishop on Sunday, making her the first woman to lead a church in the history of the worldwide Anglican Communion.
Many of the Episcopalians gathered here for the church's triennial general convention cheered the largely unexpected choice of Bishop Jefferts Schori, 52, the lone woman candidate in a field of seven and one of the youngest vying for the job. Her election was a milestone for the Episcopal Church, which began ordaining women only in 1976.
She takes on her new responsibilities at a particularly fraught moment in the history of the Episcopal Church, the American branch of the Anglican Communion, the world's third largest church body, with 77 million members. She was elected to succeed Presiding Bishop Frank T. Griswold, who will retire in November when his nine-year term ends.
At the last general convention, in 2003, the church consented to the election of an openly gay man, the Rev. V. Gene Robinson, as bishop of New Hampshire. The decision deeply offended some Episcopalians in the United States and many Anglican primates abroad, who saw it as blatant disregard of Scripture. Since then, some United States congregations have left the Episcopal Church, and primates overseas have threatened schism.
Bishop Jefferts Schori supported Bishop Robinson's election in 2003, and the Episcopal Diocese of Nevada permits the blessing of same-sex unions. Moreover, that Bishop Jefferts Schori is a woman could further strain relations with three dioceses in the United States and many Anglican provinces that refuse to ordain women as priests and bishops, critics of the vote said Sunday.
But Bishop Jefferts Schori held out hope of mending any breaks that her election or previous positions on issues might cause.
"Alienation is often a function of not knowing another human being," she said at a news conference after her election. "I have good relations with almost all the other bishops, those who agree and those who don't agree with me. I will bend over backwards to build good relations with those who don't agree with me."
Bishop Jefferts Schori's election was a crowning moment in her meteoric rise in the Episcopal Church. She was ordained just 12 years ago, after leaving a career as an oceanographer.
"I'm thrilled," said the Rev. Susan Russell, the director of Integrity, an advocacy group for gay and lesbian Episcopalians. "I'm a cradle Episcopalian. I remember when there were no women priests. I remember when they said the church was going to split over the ordination of women."
But some at the general convention said Bishop Jefferts Schori's lack of experience as a church leader, especially of a large diocese, would be tested by the tensions her denomination.
"Can she run a big ship of state?" asked the Rev. William L. Sachs, director of research at the Episcopal Church Foundation, the church's analysis arm. "She is certainly smart enough, and she gets it. But can she translate that into an actual program?"
Some critics were quick to focus on her sex, asserting that her election was an affront to others in the denomination who opposed the ordination of women. They described it as further evidence of the church's drift from the shared beliefs of the greater Anglican Communion.
"In many ways the election speaks for itself," Bishop Robert W. Duncan Jr. of Pittsburgh said in a statement. Bishop Duncan is the moderator of the Anglican Communion Network, a theologically conservative group of Episcopal dioceses. "For the Anglican Communion worldwide, this election reveals the continuing insensitivity and disregard of the Episcopal Church for the present dynamics of our global fellowship."
Bishop Jefferts Schori will be the 26th presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church. As such, she will represent the church in meetings with other Anglican leaders from around the world and with leaders of other religious groups. But her powers are limited because of the Episcopal Church's tradition of autonomy for its dioceses, including the right to elect their own bishops.
That regard for autonomy has allowed three dioceses — those in Quincy, Ill.; Fort Worth; and San Joaquin, Calif. — to resist the ordination of women. In Quincy, at least, Bishop Jefferts Schori will not be welcome, said the Rev. H. W. Herrmann, rector of St. John's Episcopal Church there.
"Just like we can't use grape juice and saltines for Communion, because it isn't the right matter, we do not believe that the right matter is being offered here," Mr. Herrmann said in an interview on Sunday.
But no issue facing Bishop Jefferts Schori is likely to be as daunting as the fight over ordaining gay bishops.
In October 2004, a committee appointed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, issued a report to head off a possible schism over the sexuality debate. That document, called the Windsor Report, recommended that the Episcopal Church apologize for the consecration of Bishop Robinson, stop blessing gay couples and place a moratorium on the election of gay bishops.
Bishop Jefferts Schori served on a commission that responded to the Windsor Report with recommendations that were less stringent. A committee at the general convention has been struggling to amend those recommendations, which have yet to come to a vote.
Bishop Jefferts Schori's role on the commission has only increased the suspicion of some critics.
"Her gender has to be combined with her response to Windsor," said the Rev. Dr. Kendall Harmon, a critic of the church and theologian-in-residence at St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Summerville, S.C. Speaking of other Anglican primates, he said, "Their anxiety will be focused less on her gender than her theology."
Bishop Jefferts Schori's parents were Catholics, both of them scientists, who joined the Episcopal Church when she was 9. She also began her career as a scientist, earning an undergraduate degree in marine biology from Stanford and a master's and a doctorate in oceanography from Oregon State University.
She said she began thinking about the ministry about 15 years ago at the urging of others in her parish in Oregon. In 1994, she received a master's of divinity from the School of the Pacific in Berkeley, Calif., and she was ordained as a deacon of the Good Samaritan Church in Corvallis, Ore. Seven years later, she was elected bishop of the Nevada diocese.
28354. jexster - 6/19/2006 4:14:52 PM LONDON (Reuters) - Anglicans faced stark divisions on Monday after a woman radical took over the U.S. branch and an English Bishop warned that Anglicanism was in danger of splitting into "two religions."
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