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28370. Jenerator - 7/25/2006 5:51:00 PM Life for the observany Muslim woman:
I am a Moslem woman. I have no face. I have no identity. At age 9, based on lunar year (a lunar year is twelve months of 28 days each or 336 days) or, when I am actually 8 years and 8 months old, I am considered an adult. Being an adult means that I have to adhere with Islamic laws as stated below.
I have to pray five times a day, fast one month out of the year and cover myself from head to toe in yards of black fabric. I am eligible to be married and can be punished for any wrong doing. I can be incarcerated and, if needed, executed for my crimes, even political ones.
Islam's law - that Allah sent down to his messenger Muhammad - came to announce that women (exactly like men) are full human beings. Women (like men) are therefore required to follow the way appointed by Allah.
"A woman (like a man) is therefore obligated with all three degrees of this religion: Islam (outward submission to Allah), iman (inward faith in Allah), and ihsan (perfection of worship of Allah)".
"Women have such honorable rights as obligations, but men have a (single) degree above them". The Koran 2:228
"Men are the managers of the affairs of women because Allah has preferred men over women and women were expended of their Rights". The Koran 4:34
Islam believes and promotes only one relationship between male and female and that is the relation of lust.
"If a man and a woman are alone in one place, the third person present is the devil". Prophet Mohammed
I am not allowed to swim, ski, ride a bike, dance, learn to play musical instruments, practice gymnastics, or any other sport. I am not even permitted to watch men play sports, either in the stadium and/or on television.
I am not permitted to participate in Olympic games.
From age 7, I am segregated from all males in and out of my extended family.
My father, grandfather, uncles, brothers or my male cousins are not allowed to be present at any ceremonies for my accomplishments. They will not be allowed to participate in my birthday parties.
I have to study under female teachers and professors. However, since women of prior generations were not allowed to go to school, there are not that many qualified women teachers and professors. Male professors must teach me from behind a wall.
I am to be treated by female doctors. Go to female dentists. And if there are none, then I have to go without or I must be examined through some sort of divider.
I am not allowed to practice birth control or have abortions, even if carrying or having a child means I have to die.
My worth is based on the Islamic Laws of Retribution, 24th edition, December 1982, as half of a man. It doesn't matter who I am, how educated I am, and what earning potential I may have in my life. My worth is half of a man, any man.
28371. Jenerator - 7/25/2006 5:52:37 PM According to clauses 33 and 91 of the law in respect, Qasas (The Islamic Retribution Bill) and its boundaries, the value of woman is considered only half as much as the value of a man.
Article 1: dieh or blood money paid to the victim or next of kin for as compensation for bodily injury or murder of a relative.
The Islamic Law of Retribution
In the old Islamic laws, recently placed into practice by the Islamic Republic of Iran, the worth of a man's life is equal to the market value of 100 camels or 200 cows and that of a woman is equal to half of the man's, 50 camels or 100 cows.
The clause number 6 regarding the dieh (cash value of the fine) states that the cash fine for murdering a woman intentionally or unintentionally is half as much as for a man. The same clause adds that if a man intentionally murders a woman and the guardian of the woman himself is not able to pay half of the Dieh (the value of 50 camels or 100 cows, the difference between the value of a man to that of a woman's life) to the murderer, the murderer will be exempted from retribution.
New Legal Standing: Pursuant to article 85 of the constitution, the Islamic penal code was implemented in December 1981. According to article 300, blood money or dieh, a sum paid to the next of kin as compensation for the murder of a relative, is twice as much in the case of a murdered man as in the case of a woman. The number of witnesses required to prove a crime is higher if the witnesses are female. For example, article 237 of the penal code states that first degree murder must be proven by testimony of two just men and evidence for second-degree murder or manslaughter requires the testimony of two just men, or one just man and two just women, or of one just man and the accuser.
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It goes on and on. 28372. Macnas - 7/25/2006 5:56:35 PM Whats that got to do with the price of bacon? 28373. Jenerator - 7/25/2006 5:57:23 PM It shows how oppressive it is and how women are viewed in Islam. 28374. Jenerator - 7/25/2006 5:58:27 PM People rally about how loving and democratic Islam is, and that is just baloney. For the observant it is militant, oppressive and violent. 28375. Macnas - 7/25/2006 6:00:29 PM That's one faith, and yours is another.
So, bet you feel lucky you made the smart choice eh? 28376. Macnas - 7/25/2006 6:01:31 PM So, you want it outlawed? altered to be more like christianity? 28377. Jenerator - 7/25/2006 6:02:36 PM Macnas,
I want to talk about something other than Christianity. I hope that you all critique it as much as you do Christianity. I look forward to learning about Islam rather than being politically correct.
As for not choosing Islam, yes, I am glad I am not a Muslim. 28378. Jenerator - 7/25/2006 6:04:05 PM Let's talk about the treatment of women, or the opinion of infidels, why it was historially labeled as the conquering religion and why they hate Jews. 28379. Macnas - 7/25/2006 6:08:48 PM Well, I'm sorry jen. I have no interest in the Muslim faith, either to support it or slate it.
I was raised catholic, in a priest ridden repressive state. That wasn't much fun either, and that was christianity.
Before you say it, oh yes it is.
But, your christian faith is probably much better than the one I practised, so, lucky you again.
28380. Macnas - 7/25/2006 6:14:29 PM Catholisism: Unmarried mothers, put into workhouse prisons and made to undure years of forced labour while the children were sold to rich people. Married women treated as breeding stock.
Non-believers, hanged and burned at various stages in history.
It is the only true religion, everyone else is a pagan or a heretic.
And the jews, well, plenty catholics hate them too. 28381. Jenerator - 7/25/2006 6:19:40 PM Macnas,
We need a break from Christianity. Let's talk about the religion that is provoking the world today and taking over. 28382. arkymalarky - 7/25/2006 6:57:43 PM Like Stephen Colbert, one of us needs a Muslim friend to come in and give a perspective from someone who actually practices Islam. 28383. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/25/2006 7:04:36 PM We need a break from Christianity. Let's talk about the religion that is provoking the world today and taking over.
You mean neoconservative, authoritarian Judeo-Christian Corporatism that exploits most of the world's resources for fun and profit while it derides global stewardship and human justice?
That religion? 28384. Jenerator - 7/25/2006 7:41:36 PM Is that a religion or the label you attribute to everyone who does not share your beliefs? 28385. wonkers2 - 7/26/2006 12:27:21 AM As I have heard, the Bible is full of contradictions. Here are some. 28386. Jenerator - 7/26/2006 12:35:00 AM Westerners are good at finding excuses for the Muslim world. After all, Palestinians have been killed for years by the Israelis. After all, most Muslims live in extreme poverty. After all, European powers colonized their countries. After all, America exploits their oil. After all, the Crusades were evil and cruel. (This, of course, does not set the record straight: Muslims conducted their own crusades against Christians; Muslims colonized countries that were independent; Muslims exploited the riches of Africa and Central Asia; Muslims were wealthy when Europeans were poor).
What Westerners fail to realize is that over the last decade the tables have been turned, and it has been consistently the Muslims who have been involved in religious violence around the world: Muslims versus Hindus in India, Muslims versus Jews in Palestine, Muslims versus Christians in Nigeria, Muslims versus Christians and Animists in Sudan, and Muslims versus Christians, Hindus and Chinese in Indonesia, etc etc. Today, there is no Christian terrorism and there is no Buddhism terrorism. Today, there is only Islamic terrorism. You never hear a Christian say that all Muslims should die. A Christian who said so in public would be immediately silenced by the authorities and maybe arrested. You can hear Muslims ask for the death of Christians, Hindus, etc pretty much in every Islamic country. They do it publicly. You can see their faces in tv. Muezzins, imams and ayatollahs do it in the mosques and on tv. Nobody is stopping them.
Westerners fail to see a fundamental feature of modern Islamic behavior: whenever they obtain something, Muslims assume that they owe it to Allah (and to their faith in Allah). Whenever a Western country gives them something or does something for them, Muslims don't thank the West: they thank Allah. For example, if the West deported all the Israelis and gave Israel back to the Arabs, the Arabs would thank Allah, not the West. The Arabs would assume that it was their faith in Allah, and their fight in the name of Allah, that gave them Israel. In a matter of days, they would start arguing about something else: Cyprus, Sicily, Turkey, whatever. Devout Muslims never see the good in the actions of the others: any good comes from Allah, not from the West. Devout Muslims will always see the evil in the actions of the West: the evil comes from the West and is due to the fact that Westerners are infidels.
28387. Adam Selene - 7/26/2006 2:18:56 AM Interesting. Jenn brings honest critique of muslim practices, and the rest of you instead find fault with her glass-house religion.
So... is piling-on still a penalty? So what if christianity has faults... does that simple fact mean muslims are sin-free?
I agree with Jenn in one sense... it'ss fair gaim to analyze islam wrt commonly accepted standards of human decency without dragging christianity into it as a whipping boy. 28388. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/26/2006 3:48:03 AM Is that a religion or the label you attribute to everyone who does not share your beliefs?
No Jen, it's what the people running this country truly believe in or they would never have gone into Iraq and they would never tolerate what the Israelis are doing to Lebanon.
And I'm not defending zealot Muslims or zealot Christians, btw, I'm only addressing your ignorant support of a corrupt administration. It may seem like "piling on" because others here may share my dismay of your Christian support of murder and mayhem because the other side does it.
If that's Christianity, then I want no part of it! 28389. iiibbb - 7/26/2006 3:59:17 AM Plenty of Christian sects that marginalize women... Jews too... and I have plenty of Moslem friends who would never do that to their spouse.
Some people do some pretty screwed up stuff in the name of their religion.
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