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28867. alistairconnor - 1/29/2007 6:21:18 PM Ah, so it's possible to be "too fundamentalist", Jen?
Can't understand how. After all, it's all written down right there in the Bible!
(just joshing...) 28868. wonkers2 - 2/1/2007 3:22:19 AM Essay linking liberal Jews and anti-Semitism sparks a furor. 28869. judithathome - 2/11/2007 6:45:12 PM Intelligent Falling: Gravity Is Just A Theory, After All 28870. judithathome - 2/11/2007 9:08:36 PM 9News in Denver talked to a pastor at New Life Church and discovered this: New Life Church Pays Ted Haggard to Leave Town
The agreement calls for Haggard, the former head of the National Association of Evangelicals and senior pastor at the New Life Church, to not rejoin the ministry at New Life, for him and his family to relocate from Colorado Springs and requires Haggard to refrain from speaking publicly about the scandal.
"The Haggards will always be part of the New Life Family," said Brendle. "We love them and we are committed to helping them through this difficult process together."
The agreement also includes a financial settlement, but as part of the deal, the church and Haggard cannot disclose how much was included.
So I guess those in the church are not standing by old Ted except to hand over hush money to his greedy little paws. WWJD? 28871. wonkers2 - 2/16/2007 5:51:56 PM God's Instruction to Hosea, "Go find yourself a whore and marry her." God says marry a whore. 28872. alistairconnor - 2/20/2007 12:37:33 PM Anglican leaders are getting hot under the collar...
Bend over, Episcopalians...
Anglican traditionalists believe gay relationships violate Scripture and they have demanded that the US church adhere to that teaching or face discipline. 28873. wonkers2 - 2/20/2007 3:49:12 PM Akinola can't tell shit from Shinola. 28874. jexster - 2/20/2007 8:06:13 PM 28872...
Wonk and I had a schoolyard saying back in the day AC...
You can take an N-Word out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the N-Word
But I ask what is worse...an animist pagan parading as an archbishop or Snit Romney?
"You Do Not Know the Lord"
Vile mormon heretic. 28875. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/21/2007 3:23:29 AM 
28876. jexster - 2/21/2007 3:32:43 AM equal 28877. jexster - 2/21/2007 11:10:26 PM From the Bishop of California
I am writing in response to the Communiqué coming out of the primates meeting in Tanzania. While many are reacting to the words of the Communiqué, I would like to respond from an awareness of the foundation of the day-to-day ongoing commitment of Christians to the gospel of Jesus. As bishop to the Diocese of California, I make the following affirmations:
The inclusion of gay and lesbian people in the full life of the Church is a matter of justice: as we are all part of the world, and the kindom of God is like a net laid over that same world. All on the earth are connected by this net, whether perceived or not. Actions of justice and injustice reverberate throughout the whole, promoting either integrity, remembering, and shalom, or diabolic isolation.
Understood as expressed above, our task in the Church is not actually to include or exclude anyone, but to show forth an intrinsic co-inherence that simply is, created and sustained by God.
Gay and lesbian people who come to the Church seeking the blessing of the Church for their unions are people seeking to lead holy lives, exactly like heterosexual couples. The Church must respond to gay and lesbian people seeking the blessing of counseling, community support, prayer, and sacrament in the same way it does to heterosexual couples.
The Diocese of California is a place within the Church -- not alone, but prominently -- where gay and lesbian people have been freer to offer their gifts: Both professional gifts and those of lay and ordained ministry. As a result, the Diocese of California has been immeasurably enriched. As bishop of this diocese, I know very well that the Christian rights of gay and lesbian people are intrinsic and must be supported, and that without these gifts, this diocese would be as immeasurably impoverished as it is now enriched. Immeasurably as the spiritual gifts of all God's people know no measure.
The polity of The Episcopal Church requires the deliberation and consent of two bodies, the House of Bishops and the House of Deputies, to properly respond to the requests made by the primates in their Communiqué.
The Episcopal Church should make every effort, including an extraordinary meeting of the two houses, and redoubled efforts to help the other provinces of the Communion understand both our theology relating to marriage and human sexuality and our polity. We should make these efforts, and at the same time not compromise the essentials of theology or our polity.
I will call on the Diocese of California to come together at Grace Cathedral during the Easter Season (at a time and on a date to be determined) when we affirm the triumph of Christ over all that destroys the creatures of God, filling that great house of prayer for all people with the full diversity of the people of God: people who differ in mind but not heart; gay and straight people; men and women; the young with the old; the poor and the rich; people of every ethnicity, all together to show our understanding of Christ’s gift of new life in the Church.
The Rt. Rev. Marc Handley Andrus, Bishop of California
San Francisco
Shrove Tuesday, 2007
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We are not meant to resolve all contradictions,
but to live with them and rise above them and
see them in the light of exterior and objective
values which make them trivial by comparison.
Thomas Merton,
Thoughts in Solitude
Macaca Nigra 28878. jexster - 2/28/2007 9:58:37 PM The "Jesus Bones"
Who says Lent can't be fun?
Jen if UR lurking...see what the Jews are saying about us now
Don't worry...I smotheth the Blood Acursed with a Mighty Smite 28879. jexster - 2/28/2007 10:18:51 PM Speaking of Jews and their Secular Fundie fellow travelers
HOSEA ROCKS!
Don't Fret Jen, I smithest the Double Dealin Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap too...
Wonkers you and Thoughtfull (Sic) are dumb enuf (and you rich enuf) to be Republicans
28871. wonkers2 - 2/16/2007 5:51:56 PM
God's Instruction to Hosea, "Go find yourself a whore and marry her." God says marry a whore.
Why did you paste post w/out the substance? Do the Jews hold the paper on your fucking yacht!
Chapter 1 and Chapter 2
God's first instruction to Hosea is: Go find yourself a whore and marry her. (Yes, again with the prostitutes!) He picks up a streetwalker named Gomer—the ancient Hebrew for "Candee," I guess. They quickly have a son, whom Hosea names Jezreel. (As you may remember from 1 Kings, Chapter 21, Jezreel is where King Ahab and Queen Jezebel committed one of the Bible's most loathsome crimes.) He names their other kids "Not-Accepted" and "Not-My-People," to symbolize God's rejection of the Israelites. (Why couldn't he name them Jacob and Madison like everyone else?) But we're picking up a theme here: Hosea's family embodies Israel's disgrace.
The hooker wife, of course, represents the faithlessness of the Israelites
What? Schlomo got you by the balls?
28880. jexster - 2/28/2007 10:21:51 PM PS Hosea, I am BIG FAN!
Hosea 8-14
8Set the trumpet to your lips! One like a vulture is over the house of the Lord, because they have broken my covenant, and transgressed my law. 2Israel cries to me, “My God, we—Israel—know you!” 3Israel has spurned the good; the enemy shall pursue him. 4They made kings, but not through me; they set up princes, but without my knowledge. With their silver and gold they made idols for their own destruction. 5Your calf is rejected, O Samaria. My anger burns against them. How long will they be incapable of innocence? 6For it is from Israel, an artisan made it; it is not God. The calf of Samaria shall be broken to pieces. 7For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. The standing grain has no heads, it shall yield no meal; if it were to yield, foreigners would devour it.
8Israel is swallowed up; now they are among the nations as a useless vessel. 9For they have gone up to Assyria, a wild ass wandering alone; Ephraim has bargained for lovers. 10Though they bargain with the nations, I will now gather them up. They shall soon writhe under the burden of kings and princes. 11When Ephraim multiplied altars to expiate sin, they became to him altars for sinning. 12Though I write for him the multitude of my instructions, they are regarded as a strange thing. 13Though they offer choice sacrifices, though they eat flesh, the Lord does not accept them. Now he will remember their iniquity, and punish their sins; they shall return to Egypt. 14Israel has forgotten his Maker, and built palaces; and Judah has multiplied fortified cities; but I will send a fire upon his cities, and it shall devour his strongholds
28881. jexster - 3/1/2007 3:51:32 AM From my parish priest
Our Presiding Bishop has asked us to use the season of Lent as a time to refrain from blessing same sex unions. I believe this to be a perversion of the purpose of Lent, and so in response for this one year I am suspending the 'closed season' normally kept at this time, and I invite any who wish a blessing to come forward now during Lent 28882. wonkers2 - 3/1/2007 4:14:46 AM How come we haven't received our invitation yet? 28883. jexster - 3/1/2007 4:21:19 AM A Popular (not official) Prayer to St. Anne, Mary's Mom
Dear St. Anne
Find me a man 28884. jexster - 3/1/2007 4:22:06 AM and would you come dressed like a macacan? Reception at St. Francis...a wedding gift would be nice 28885. jexster - 3/7/2007 5:00:13 AM The West Needs a Spiritual Surge
By Amitai Etzioni
The spell of the Enlightenment so profoundly distracts many Western opinion makers that the worldwide rise of religion is either ignored or it is viewed as major threat rather than an important source for the re-moralization of society. True, many observers have noted, especially after September 11, that the rise of a religiously ferocious Islam is not limited to the Arab world, but is very much in evidence in all Muslim nations from Indonesia to Turkey. But few have paid mind to the importance of the crowded churches in former communist countries in Eastern Europe and Russia; to the many scores of millions who are finding religion in China; and to the rapidly growing followings of a variety of religious denominations, cults and sects all over the world.
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The West may well have to draw on both enriched secular humanism and on moderate religious beliefs, if it is not to lose the struggle over the hearts and minds of the majority of the people of the world. It needs a spiritual rather a military surge.
Saint Tikhon the New Martyr, Last Patriarch of Russia
28886. wonkers2 - 3/11/2007 6:07:29 AM Special for Jen from Hank
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