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29167. jexster - 9/22/2008 4:22:07 AM I just want Jexster to support the Church's stance with scripture - the primary source of the faith itself, and he cannot.
I just did. Jenerator rejects the interpretation of Scripture but that doesn't make it any less Scriptural 29168. Jenerator - 9/22/2008 4:24:05 AM So if the scripture says, "And the day shall be dark" is that proof that Mary was without sin?
You haven't shown me ONE iota of proof. All of the scriptures you posted do not claim she was sinless.
Your own scriptural 'evidence' doesn't support you!!! 29169. jexster - 9/22/2008 4:24:49 AM That Jenerator rejects Scripture...is a matter of concern to her not to the Church which believes differently and has for nearly 2000 years
To say there is no Scriptural foundation to the Church's belief is a lie..just as it would be for me to say a particular belief of Jen's has no Scriptural basis...
She may be wrong...or not..that is a matter of Faith 29170. Jenerator - 9/22/2008 4:24:58 AM "And we shall call it Ebenezer."
Voila! Proof that Mary was without sin! 29171. jexster - 9/22/2008 4:25:16 AM I have said all there is to say on the matter 29172. jexster - 9/22/2008 4:26:15 AM I have explained the doctrine and the Scriptural basis of it.
There is nothing left to say 29173. Jenerator - 9/22/2008 4:26:43 AM Lt 4:18 They hunt our steps, that we cannot go in our streets: our end is near, our days are fulfilled; for our end is come
Here, the 'interpretation' claims that Mary remained a virgin despite having other children with her husband. 29174. Jenerator - 9/22/2008 4:28:13 AM Jexster,
You haven't proved the Church's stance on Mary. Even if we squint and hild it far away, it does not say what you want it to say.
We should respect Mary and the fact that she was chosen by God to birth Christ. We should not, however, elevate her to the level of Christ and attribute things that are not evidenced in the scripture. 29175. jexster - 9/22/2008 4:31:03 AM Christian belief holds that every human being through faith and through baptism is freed from sin - original sin and personal sin - through the grace of Jesus Christ. Roman Catholic Christians simply claim that Mary was the first one to whom this was done. 29176. jexster - 9/22/2008 4:32:18 AM I've quoted the Church's teaching on the Immaculate Conception verbatim.....It is what it is. It is as I have said 29177. jexster - 9/22/2008 4:35:14 AM If anyone doubts this, read John Paul's Redemptoris Mater and "prove" me wrong about what the Church teaches on the subject 29178. Jenerator - 9/22/2008 11:21:55 AM You can't find it in scripture. In other words, the sacred texts that our Christian faith is built on, does not prove your stance.
Christian belief holds that every human being through faith and through baptism is freed from sin - original sin and personal sin - through the grace of Jesus Christ.
That's news to me! The scriptures don't support this, either, Jexster. Show me where we become sinless after baptism!
This is why you want to believe that infant baptism is necessary - to cover yourselves! That way, even an unbeliever is supposedly covered. A person who was baptized as a baby (with no intellectual capacity to understand what s/he is doing) can live a completely horrible life and reject Christ, and yet still be saved according to the Church.
Jexster, has your life been free of sin since baptism?
Of course not.
Wabbit - I think your statement about the Christian not having to be accountable for his/her actions applies more to the Catholic stance here, 29179. jexster - 9/22/2008 3:57:06 PM There's a great deal that is news to you Jen 29180. jexster - 9/22/2008 3:58:22 PM Like the salvation bought by Christ
But don't worry ..the Church knows.
I am not running an inquirers class for Catholic bashers 29181. jexster - 9/22/2008 3:58:49 PM Wabbit has a question about the faith I will answer it.
29182. jexster - 9/22/2008 4:05:50 PM You will find the correct theology of the "one baptism for the forgiveness of sin" Here
The Sacrament of Baptism Here
The Sacrament of Penance & reconcilliation Here
If you are interested which it doesn't appear you are.
As I said, and I have now read the first third of the Encyclical just to confirm, I have contrary to your claim, stated the Dogma of the IC very well on the fly.
Like I said, if you want to launch ad hominem against something about which you insist on being willfully ignorant
That's your business
Talk to yourself 29183. jexster - 9/22/2008 4:25:25 PM There is a reason the Church considers baptists to be heretics Wabbit 29184. jexster - 9/22/2008 5:45:16 PM This is cool. By Linda Hansen HuffPO
She's the aunt of Atlantic Artists Christian Rock Star
SETH BOLT...sigh
Said she thought of me the entire time she was writing it. If only her nephew were...sigh sigh sigh
Praying For Pipelines Not My Kind Of Religion
I am a person of faith. A believer. Prayer is a part of my daily life. And I've had a rough week.
29185. wabbit - 9/22/2008 8:01:24 PM Jen Message # 29178,
It isn't that a nasty evil person is not accountable, but I'm wondering what that accountability consists of. It seems that so long as you believe in God and have been baptised, you are going to heaven — regardless of what you may have done in your life on earth, you will receive forgiveness and be saved from hell. Which essentially means you skate on your bad behavior as long as you believe and, perhaps, ask for forgiveness. Those who do not believe are going to hell anyway, regardless of the quality of their life, but there is an out for those who do believe.
If that is the case, what real incentive would a person who is inclined to be mean-spirited, selfish or evil have to be anything else? Or can you get to the Judgment, being a believer and asking for forgiveness, and have God look you in the eye and say, "You were a waste of oxygen, hie thee to hell."?
Perhaps I'm completely off, which is why I'm asking the question. 29186. Jenerator - 9/22/2008 9:01:26 PM There is a reason the Church considers baptists to be heretics
The Church doesn't consider Baptist heretics anymore, Jexster. Remember when your infallible Pope changed his mind?
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