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29319. Jenerator - 10/23/2008 2:28:37 AM Born in New York City in January 1956, Bill Maher is a comedian, actor, producer, and writer known for his political satire and commentary. Maher's Irish-American father, a radio newscaster and later an NBC-TV news editor, was Roman Catholic. His mother, a nurse, was Jewish. When Bill Maher was 13 years old, his father abandoned his Catholic faith, and Bill Maher did likewise. "It was like V-J Day in my room," a laughing Maher is quoted as saying in the October 24, 2004 Chicago Sun-Times. "I couldn't have been more thrilled."
29320. Jenerator - 10/23/2008 2:34:41 AM Wonkers,
I would have enjoyed debating Maher, but he wasn't looking for normal people. 29321. magoseph - 10/23/2008 12:34:55 PM 29322. Jenerator - 10/23/2008 1:49:42 PM You and Wizard must subscribe to the same list-serv! 29323. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/23/2008 5:22:37 PM Bill Maher on Hardball talking about Politics & Religion . . .
29324. pelty - 10/23/2008 6:10:15 PM "Bill Maher is a comedian..."
Only by the loosest of definitions... 29325. iiibbb - 10/23/2008 6:15:14 PM I don't like Maher... he's too full of himself.
OTOH
“Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of blindfolded Fear." - Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787 29326. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/23/2008 6:24:32 PM He is full of himself, but it doesn't prevent him from speaking the truth about the follies of religion and the hypocrisy so prevalent in our culture. 29327. Jenerator - 10/23/2008 7:54:07 PM I don't consider him a source of truth. 29328. Jenerator - 10/23/2008 7:54:31 PM PS - Hi Pelty! Long time no see. 29329. jexster - 10/23/2008 8:06:21 PM 29330. Jenerator - 10/23/2008 8:08:50 PM "Mary invites us to join her"
Jexster, where does Christ figure into your worship? 29331. Jenerator - 10/23/2008 8:11:49 PM "The Holy Spirit asks us to imitate the faith and love of Mary..."
MARIOLOGY! Marian veneration! Mary worship!
29332. jexster - 10/23/2008 8:17:06 PM Election Novena -For Faithful Citizens 10 Videos
Novena for the Faithful Citizens
also known as "The Election Novena" 29333. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/23/2008 8:17:19 PM I don't consider him a source of truth.
How could you, Jen--you think bronze-age fantasies written by paternalistic morons are THE source of truth. 29334. Jenerator - 10/23/2008 8:22:21 PM You're right in that I do not hold Maher up to same level as scripture. 29335. anomie - 10/23/2008 10:09:38 PM Jen, I can't imagine what you would debate Maher about, but it led me to be curious about your views of the church. Did God (Christ, etc) establish a church on earth? If so, what authority or duties does that church have?
And just so you know my train of thought... If there is no church, no authority, then it follows that each individual can establish his own relationship with God, which would necessarily include his own interpretation (or even acceptance) of scripture. Which would in the end, make any of your criticisms meaningless since you would have no authority over another's relationship with God.
I trust I didn't confuse things by trying to make the argument so transparent. But I'm not trying to win a point so much as trying to determine whether you understand the implications of your own views and understand how you deal with inconsistencies. 29336. anomie - 10/24/2008 1:32:06 AM Jen, followup in anticipation of parts of your reply... I know you accept certain orthodoxies of protestant theology, (Some say essentials of faith), so before you explain these, let me ask...Do you accept these (or believe these) as an individual, on your own authority, or one-on-one with God? Or do you accept these as part of a larger community, or group, or church, that sanctions your beliefs, (and thus sanctions your salvation)? 29337. Jenerator - 10/24/2008 2:45:20 PM Did God (Christ, etc) establish a church on earth? If so, what authority or duties does that church have?
Good questions. Well, Protestants believe that the body of believers constitutes Christ's 'church'. As far as God claiming that one denomination/branch is the exclusive, sanctioned church, I do not believe that. Now, as an institution, church must have its primary focus on serving Christ and being in his will. Through careful study, teaching, discipleship, fellowship and missionary work, I believe that any Christian church can fulfill its duties in equipping believers. Churches must remain accountable and should be scrutinized to ensure that they are, in fact, studying, teaching, discipling, fellowshiping and serving others Biblically.
29338. pelty - 10/24/2008 3:30:56 PM Hi Jen,
I tend to lurk, but someone like Maher deserves public contempt as he carries the intellectual heft of the pumpkin sitting in my window, yet is treated as an authentic commentator on serious issues. He is boring, but only slightly more so than the fawning Chris Matthews.
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