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29595. Trillium - 7/2/2015 5:18:45 AM Arky, you wrote this: "Charles Manson bothers me. What the hell does that have to do with anything?" Manson should bother you, he was apparently interested in starting some kind of a race war (along with breaking into homes and murdering random strangers.)
Inciting for race wars should bother you. Why the hell not? Fictional hate crime accusations are criminally irresponsible and contribute to getting innocent people hurt or killed. 29596. arkymalarky - 7/2/2015 5:38:28 AM Individual nuts are one thing. Systemic, institutional racism and patterns of discrimination are another. Anyone who looks at the background of your link knows anything necessary to draw a conclusion wrt your pov. I'm done. 29597. Trillium - 7/2/2015 6:51:56 AM What is now happening is reinforcement of systemic, institutional racism. It is time to level the playing field -- same rules for all. Incentives are encouraging people to use ethnic falsehoods and accusations for advantage. I disapprove. Integrity is important. While lying will go on forever because we don't live in an ideal world, lying shouldn't be the custom, expected, acceptable, excused -- especially when that lying incites hatred, distrust, and results in violence.
I am not going to agree with Arky, or Judith, or Alistair. And I'm equally done with this topic after contradicting POVs I find irresponsible. 29598. arkymalarky - 7/2/2015 3:22:56 PM I encourage anyone following this to look at the link I posted. 29599. Trillium - 7/2/2015 3:48:23 PM I would encourage the same, and don't stop at that link (which makes charges regarding a renowned activist that have not been refuted here). Read widely. Raise your awareness about "racial identity" issues and the flurry of false accusations/ hatemongering that are emanating from people with fictional identities who hate themselves. It's pathological.
And while we're at it, here's one about Native American poseurs from Salon:
"An artist and a scholar are both under fire for claiming to be Native American, which furthered their careers" by Mary Elizabeth Williams
29600. judithathome - 7/2/2015 7:58:45 PM Incentives are encouraging people to use ethnic falsehoods and accusations for advantage.
Thus far, I can't see that you have proved that.
I am not going to agree with Arky, or Judith, or Alistair.
Frankly, I don't give a shit if you agree with me or not...in fact, I'd be upset if you did. I think you've shown exactly what you believe and as much as you wouldn't deign to agree with ME, that is how much I would be embarrassed to have you do so. 29601. wabbit - 7/2/2015 8:11:09 PM fixed? 29602. judithathome - 7/2/2015 8:44:52 PM Yes...if you mean the margins. 29603. iiibbb - 7/3/2015 2:39:44 AM Scalia'a argument was awful and wrong.
29604. arkymalarky - 7/3/2015 4:15:05 AM I always thought he was obnoxious and outrageous, but he's gone so far around the bend it's disturbing. 29605. judithathome - 7/3/2015 7:08:41 PM Wondering if senility is setting in.... 29606. iiibbb - 7/4/2015 1:44:05 AM Probably is now 29607. Trillium - 7/4/2015 12:56:50 PM Scalia's dissent includes some unusual viewpoints not often voiced.
Then again, that's what dissent is about, though it's shocking for people not used to being contradicted.
Scalia: The Supreme Court is a Threat to Democracy
"Scalia claimed that legalizing gay marriage was a policy decision — not one that the court should decide.
"Until the courts put a stop to it, public debate over same-sex marriage displayed American democracy at its best," he wrote.
29608. Trillium - 7/4/2015 12:58:11 PM This made me laugh. I'm fairly open in my marital communications, but stepped back to wonder what I DON'T say. iiibbb had some posts about that very topic a while back.
"Expression, sure enough, is a freedom, but anyone in a long-lasting marriage will attest that that happy state constricts, rather than expands, what one can prudently say."
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf
29609. Trillium - 7/4/2015 1:17:10 PM Arthur Miller wrote "The Crucible" decades ago to address McCarthyism and excessively emotional political campaigns. While Scalia might want to dial it back a notch, he's certainly not the only one... I'd suggest that some posters here might look in the mirror (Arky and Judith?)
Hysteria about not appearing immorally "racist" has reached unacceptable limits. When Salem teens put on hysterical displays of demonic possession, Puritan judges had their brains similarly scrambled by conflicted religious teachings. 29610. Trillium - 7/4/2015 1:18:12 PM There's a woman from McKinney, TX (Tracey Allbritton, originally of Los Angeles...) She is now someplace in hiding because of death threats and job loss resulting from accusations of racism related to the McKinney TX pool crashers.
I'm more likely to believe Tracey Allbritton than her accusers. Her primary accuser is an enterprising scamster who advertised and sold tickets to a "pool party" next to a private pool belonging to a gated community that strictly limited guests of homeowners (who had to pay over a hundred dollars a year for access, maintenance and security if they wanted to use the pool).
Tracey Albritton hired Gloria Allred for defense
When people have to hire lawyers to defend against death threats and firing because of false accusations, THAT is "around the bend". And THAT ought to concern you although clearly it doesn't. 29611. Trillium - 7/4/2015 1:27:20 PM Cocoafab reporting with different details than Texas Monthly:
"According to Tracey, one of the black teens began screaming racial slurs at Allbritton’s friend saying the pool was public and the friend replied that the pool was private and residents pay dues to use it. Then, one of the black attendees charged towards Allbritton’s friend and began pulling her hair.
“My kids were screaming and traumatized” she said. “I walked out to defuse the fight and did just that. I didn’t beat anyone nor use racial slurs of any kind.” 29612. arkymalarky - 7/4/2015 3:27:55 PM Again, I encourage anyone following to see Trillium's fount of racial hostility in the link I posted above.
Wrt Scalia and gay marriage, it wasn't the content of his dissent, though I think his and Thomas's lacked reason; it was his expressions against the ruling and their personal, frenetic, and unhinged tone. 29613. arkymalarky - 7/4/2015 3:30:17 PM And to stay on the topic of the thread, you'll know hell is frozen over when Trillium actually defends a black person over a white person in one of these news items. 29614. arkymalarky - 7/4/2015 3:33:18 PM A quote from Milton is also apt:
He made the worse appear the better cause.
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