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327. dusty - 9/26/1999 1:33:23 AM 
328. dusty - 9/26/1999 1:38:33 AM wabbit
I've replaced Pelle's pic with one that doesn't stretch the margin quite so much.
As soon as I am given the powers from wabbit, and get Pelle's permission, I'll remove the offending post, and discuss some helpful hints for avoiding the problem in the future. 329. wabbit - 9/26/1999 3:47:14 AM dusty,
It's all yours! 330. pellenilsson - 9/26/1999 7:49:08 PM dusty
Welcome as host! Please delete my pic. 331. pellenilsson - 9/26/1999 7:56:35 PM When dusty has removed the offending pic you might want to check my #308-310 where I discuss how to transfer tables and graphs from Excel to the Mote. 332. Dusty - 9/26/1999 9:09:00 PM pellenilsson
Yes, that was very interesting, and I plan to use it. Thanks. 333. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/27/1999 2:26:40 AM Suggestion for new thread name: "Check for Dusty" 335. CoralReef - 9/27/1999 2:56:48 AM 
Testing.
336. Dusty - 9/27/1999 2:57:23 AM A couple comments on Posting images. (I'll add these to the HTML Hints page eventually.)
Pelle's image suffered two problems. One, it was overly large, and two, it wasn't cropped. There was a large expanse of white area around the picture itself. I cropped the white space, and then adjusted the size.
Based upon some crude experiments, I believe the posting area has a width of 425 pixels. While this shouldn't be viewed as an absolute restriction, be aware that posting an image with a width greater than 425 will push the margin to the right. A little bit may be acceptable if the image requires more size to be seen correctly, but increasing it too much will distort the page.
337. Dusty - 9/27/1999 2:57:59 AM continued
So you must be thinking, "Oh great, this means I have to find out how wide an image is before posting it?" The answer is simple. You don't need to. But with any image, you can specify how large it will be. You don't need to bother if you are sure it will fit, but I urge everyone to specify the width if the image might be large.
The standard format for posting an image is as follows (Remove space next to angle brackets when actually using):
< img src="http://www.pictureplace.com/images/picture.jpg" >
This will post the image in its "native size".
To specify the width, simply add the width command:
< img src=http://www.pictureplace.com/images/picture.jpg width=250 >
To give you an idea of size, the flowers posted in the Home and Garden thread are generally width 250.
Suggestions for posting images:
- Use the width command, especially if you think it might be a large image. Don't use a value greater than 425
- Always use the Check for Dust option when posting images
338. Dusty - 9/27/1999 3:03:46 AM Another hint (directed mainly as Dusty)
If you try to post but get an error message, check the thread before posting again. It may have worked.
339. CalGal - 9/27/1999 4:15:34 AM Dusty--if you're going to mess with the width I believe you must also mess with the height. 340. Dusty - 9/27/1999 4:26:34 AM CalGal
Nope, you can put a width only command. In fact, I think it is better this way. If you pick width only, it keeps the aspect ratio. I tried once with both, and it distorted the picture. (Of course, another time I tried both, it didn't seem to have a problem, so I need to do some more homework to figure out what is going on.)
My first few pictures in Home and Garden had no height or width. Then I didn't like the random sizes, so I specified both, but my recent ones have all been width 250, and you can see than they are all the same width, while preserving the original aspect ratio (I think).
341. Dusty - 9/27/1999 4:32:10 AM Test 1 Using only Width =425
Test 2 Using Width =425 Height=50
342. Dusty - 9/27/1999 4:33:56 AM Well, I verified one thing, but raised another question. Looks like I am wrong about the width of the posting area. But this is the testing area, and I wanted to be sure before rewriting the Hints page. 343. Dusty - 9/27/1999 4:37:35 AM Oh wait, I know. When I posted the picture in #327, I selected a height of 150, and the implied width is more than 425, so the margin is pushed beyond its normal location. I posted that before I figured out how wide this place was. 344. Dusty - 9/27/1999 4:41:14 AM In case anyone is interested, the code to create the image is:
< IMG SRC="http://members.home.net/freetochoose/Pellepic.gif" BORDER= HEIGHT= WIDTH=425 ALT="" >
Although the Border, Height and ALT commands aren't needed. (ALT specifies text for people selecting a text-only page)
345. CalGal - 9/27/1999 5:43:39 AM PsychProf,
I create a table just for the piece of text in question. There are probably other ways of doing it, but this is the first method I'm experimenting with. It requires guessing, and I think the spacing on the Check for Dust thread is slightly different than on the posting page itself. I'll have to fix that. If you want to see what I mean, copy the text below the formatted version (which is how I created it) and look at it in Check for Dust. It's gorgeous. And then look how it turns out. (sob)
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radar. One of these movies is The Third Man, which is often described as the greatest movie you've never heard of. It is hard to categorize--it fits the bill nicely as film noir, a mystery, a love story, |
or a devastatingly accurate commentary on post-war Europe--and this may be why it has not remained as widely known as other great movies from the 40s. Happily, it has been refurbished and rereleased on its 50th anniversary to quite a bit of attention--critics have been very happy to see its return and have made much fuss.
< table >< tr >< td >< img src="http://www.openix.com/~danb/third.jpg" >< /td >< td valign="top" >And then, every so often, there's one on the list that stayed under the radar. One of these movies is The Third Man, which is often described as the greatest movie you've never heard of. It is hard to categorize--it fits the bill nicely as film noir, a mystery, a love story,< /td>< /tr>< /table> or a devastatingly accurate commentary on post-war Europe--and this may be why it has not remained as widely known as other great movies from the 40s. Happily, it has been refurbished and rereleased on its 50th anniversary to quite a bit of attention--critics have been very happy to see its return and have made much fuss.346. CalGal - 9/27/1999 5:49:26 AM It just occurred to me that this will always be a problem when margins are screwed up, too. Hmm. So the trick is to hardcode the table to a certain width.
Try again.
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why it has not remained as widely known as other great movies from the 40s. Happily, it has been refurbished and rereleased on its 50th anniversary to quite a bit of attention--critics have been very happy to see its return and have made much fuss.347. CalGal - 9/27/1999 5:50:49 AM Okay, so you can't control your environment completely, but if the margins were normal right now, I think this would have looked okay.
So hardcode the table width--I used 400.
Don't forget to put < /td > tags, which aren't mandatory--but Netscape will mess things up something awful if you don't use them.
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