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393. CalGal - 9/21/1999 7:33:51 AM Ace,
I like that too, if it's okay with Wabbit. ANd I agree with Arky--go kick a liberal around for a while and let's see how this shakes out. 394. Ace of Spades - 9/21/1999 7:38:07 AM
Seriously, though. If someone's real name is Jagoff Moron Dipshit, Esq., how long could I possibly survive under this regime? 395. arkymalarky - 9/21/1999 7:40:51 AM Forget you, how could HE survive? 396. Spiderman - 9/21/1999 8:43:32 AM Hard to breathe in here, too much smoke from all those crack pipes, somebody open a window. 397. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/21/1999 8:49:54 AM Oops, Arky, I think you just publicly revealed that your real name is Jagoff Moron Dipshit, Esq. It's fair game, now, Jag.
398. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/21/1999 8:53:08 AM I mean Ace accidentally outed himself. I gotta read more carefully. 399. wabbit - 9/21/1999 8:55:57 AM #388 looks good to me.
Cal, can you toss off a quick reworking of rule #1 to include that? I think your wording of the balance of the RoE should be fine.
What about the self-delete feature, folks? Can we live with not banning people who are willing to delete their own post within a short period of time, like 15 minutes? Will a warning do in that case? 400. Ace of Spades - 9/21/1999 9:00:46 AM
Can we live with not banning people who are willing to delete their own post within a short period of time, like 15 minutes?
I can't. The information is still outed publicly.
Can people reveal personal information for just ten minutes, letting who knows how many people peruse it, then delete it and escape without banning? Why? They shouldn't have done it in the first place. It's a simple rule and not terrible onerous with which to comport oneself. 401. Ace of Spades - 9/21/1999 9:04:34 AM
"and not a terribly onerous rule with which to comport oneself." 402. wabbit - 9/21/1999 9:26:53 AM Ace, I agree. 403. Greystoke - 9/21/1999 9:44:44 AM wabbit
I am impressed at how you performed VI jujitsu on the argument that it is senseless to ban anyone: they can simply come back with a new ID.
Now the argument is that banning is an appropriate punishment because the person can come back with a new ID.
Its not that I am a big proponent of banning. I just like your reasoning.
404. Greystoke - 9/21/1999 10:03:25 AM wabbit
One point I am a little unclear on, though. Under what circumstances do we let the person come back with a new ID (i.e. he has a new ID, assumes his old persona, and we all know who he was) and what circumstances do we hunt him down to delete all his new posts and ban his new ID, too.
Is the latter situation only for repeat offenses, or also for particularly egregious first offenses, too? In other words, can someone be banned for life no matter what his ID is? 405. wabbit - 9/21/1999 10:22:42 AM Greystoke,
I know it sounds ridiculous, but realistically, unless we start requiring people to register with real names and permanent e-mail addresses, it is virtually impossible to prevent someone from coming back. The upside is that people who are banned for what was really an oversight, although a violation of the RoE, can come back and will not be a problem. Occasionally someone who has created a problem and has been banned may realize that there is some good conversation to be had here, and will not repeat the behavior in order to stay. The downside is that people who want to be a problem will continue to be one, and we are stuck with having to watch out for them, delete posts, issue warnings and ban them.
If someone has a way around this, please tell us. 406. bloodnfire - 9/21/1999 10:34:53 AM Wabbit. Your #405. You post..."I know it sounds ridiculous, but realistically, unless we start requiring people to register with real names and permanent e-mail addresses, it is virtually impossible to prevent someone from coming back".
So, let's do it !! Why would anyone (other than people like 'Cat in the Hat) have any objection to using real I.D. and permanent e-mail to register ? Sounds good to me. It's interesting that, regardless of the change of name, the individual coming back to attempt the same destructive mischief still smells the same. 407. wabbit - 9/21/1999 10:42:11 AM bloodnfire,
It is another thing to consider. How does everyone feel about this?
410. SnowOwl - 9/21/1999 11:08:34 AM wabbit,
It sounds okay in principle, but I'm not sure it would be very effective in practise. For example, I've got access to 5 different email addresses (non Web-based ones). They don't all belong to me but they are all accessible by me and there would be nothing to stop me registering under 5 different names with a different email address for each one. I think Table Talk requires a "real" email address for registration, but that doesn't seem to have cut down on the number of multiples over there, if what I've read is correct.
If someone really wants to get in here there seems very little you can do to actually keep them out permanently. 412. Greystoke - 9/21/1999 11:45:52 AM wabbit
"I know it sounds ridiculous ..."
No. I wasn't trying to be sarcastic. I really do see the logic in banning a particular ID, but allowing the person to come back under another ID (since we can't stop it anyway). That would indeed be an appropriate punishment for a run of the mill case of disclosing private information.
My question in #404 is for more serious violations where the person comes back with a new ID and admits who he is (or was).
BTW I object to using my real name and would not stay here if that was a requirement. 413. Ace of Spades - 9/21/1999 12:19:34 PM
Why don't you require real e-mail addresses for registration? Most people will have access to two but no more. 414. Greystoke - 9/21/1999 12:21:48 PM Ace
"Why don't you require real e-mail addresses for registration? Most people will have access to two but no more."
It is required, isn't it? How else would new enlistees get their password?
415. wabbit - 9/21/1999 1:27:56 PM Greystoke,
I was unclear, sorry, it isn't that hotmail et al aren't real, what I meant was an ISP based e-mail address. It isn't foolproof, as SnowOwl pointed out, but it's a damn sight better than having another episode like tonight's. We're working out the details and will keep everyone informed.
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