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45204. concerned - 11/9/2012 12:06:10 AM Ron Paul: Election Shows US 'Far Gone'
Rep. Ron Paul, whose maverick presidential bids shook the GOP, said in the wake of this week's elections that the country has already veered over the fiscal cliff and he sees no chance of righting ship in a country where too many people are dependent on government.
"We're so far gone. We're over the cliff," the Texas Republican told Bloomberg Television's "In the Loop" program. "We cannot get enough people in Congress in the next 5-10 years who will do wise things." The video can be seen at http://www.bloomberg.com/video/ron-paul-on-fiscal-cliff-and-vows-to-compromise-MYkAiqYBTaiHwXZL9Tvxkw.html.
Mr. Paul, who is retiring after 12 terms in the House, said voters on Tuesday rejected Mitt Romney because he had opposed the government bailout of General Motors and Chrysler.
"The people in the Midwest voted against him: 'Oh, we have to be taken care of!' So that vote was sort of like what we are laughing at in Greece," Mr. Paul said.
"People do not want anything cut," he said. "They want all the bailouts to come. They want the Fed to keep printing the money. And they don't believe that we've gone off the cliff or are close to going off the cliff. They think we can patch it over, that we can somehow come up with some magic solution. But you can't have a budgetary solution if you don't change what the role of government should be. As long as you think we have to police the world and run this welfare state, all we are going to argue about is who will get the loot."
45205. judithathome - 11/9/2012 12:57:06 AM Ron Paul....riiiiight.
@@ 45206. concerned - 11/9/2012 1:08:57 AM CBS says Holder considering resigning. Is Holder:
a) growing a conscience regarding Fast and Furious?
b) trying to escape fallout from critical Congressional Reports related to Fast and Furious?
c) being thrown under the bus by 0bama? 45207. arkymalarky - 11/9/2012 1:59:58 AM Holder, like Clinton, intimated early on he would likely go only one term. 45208. concerned - 11/9/2012 2:05:28 AM From Larry Elder article:
The Associated Press, however, wants people like little Brandon to know that, yes, had Obama lost, it was racism that did him in.
Indeed, the AP says its online survey shows that many Americans possess negative "racial attitudes" toward blacks — enough to hurt Obama's re-election.
How does the AP uncover negative "racial attitudes"?
In addition to extensive questions about the presidential candidates and political attitudes, the AP asked "overt" questions. These include things like, well, certain words or phrases — "friendly," "law abiding," "intelligent at school," "lazy" and "complaining" — to describe blacks, whites, Hispanics and so on.
The AP also used "subtler techniques" because "some (people) may not be aware of their own biases." And employing "affect misattribution," the survey showed "faces of people of different races quickly on a screen before displaying a neutral image that people were asked to rate as pleasant or unpleasant."
Then after applying what sounds like a small universe of "mathematical formulas" to the survey answers (to account for "likelihoods" and "attitudes" and "characteristics" and "models . .. to estimate the impact each factor has," while "controlling for other factors"), the AP announced its findings: A majority (51%) of Americans possess "negative views" of blacks.
Case closed, right? Wrong.
What happens when these questions are asked of blacks about blacks? How do blacks answer these negative assertions about blacks?
45209. concerned - 11/9/2012 2:08:50 AM Mixed Marriage
In 1991, researchers for the National Race and Politics Survey asked the same questions of both blacks and whites. Blacks, for example, were also asked if they considered blacks "aggressive or violent," "boastful," "complaining," "lazy" or "irresponsible."
While 52% of whites agreed with the statement "blacks are aggressive or violent," 59% of blacks also agreed. On the question of blacks being boastful, more blacks than whites agreed, at 57% and 45%, respectively. On "blacks are complaining," 51% of blacks agreed, while fewer whites, at 41%, agreed with that statement. Fewer whites (34%) than blacks (39%) agreed that "blacks are lazy."
Stanford University political scientist Paul M. Sniderman and survey research specialist Thomas Piazza examined the 1991 survey.
They write: "In every case, blacks are at least as likely as whites to hold a negative view of blacks. ... Indeed, when it comes to judgments of whether blacks as a group exhibit socially undesirable characteristics, where there is a statistically significant difference between the views of blacks and whites, it always takes the form of blacks expressing a more negative evaluation of other blacks than do whites."
Are blacks, who consistently score higher than whites on self-esteem tests, racist against themselves? According to the National Race and Politics Survey, apparently so — thus the absurdity of branding someone racist merely for holding "negative" racial views.
Something for Leftists to put in their pipes and smoke. Btw, I work with a couple of black electronics engineers all the time & they express 'negative views' of certain behavior and lifestyles commonly associated with blacks to the point that you would probably report any white person saying anything remotely the same to the PC Polizei as well as considering that person to be a closet KKK member and never speak to him or her again.
It seems the AP and the MSM in general would do far better to just stop with their ignorant indoctrination attempts here. They're just making things far worse than they need to be.
45210. arkymalarky - 11/9/2012 2:24:05 AM Hang it up. You lost. And just FYI, you sound racist. Stereotyping makes your whole position incredible. 45211. resonance - 11/9/2012 2:42:37 AM I'm not sure what's dumber, not realizing that white people will underreport beliefs they feel are, or may be construed as, racist.... or thinking that defense industry middle management voted for Obama.
Seriously, Thomas. Go outside for a while. Open up the window of whatever room you're in and let in a little oxygen, and then in the meantime go outside and walk around for a little bit, and think. Your ideology lost in a shitty economy against a very beatable candidate. It wasn't an accident that that happened. Doubling down on the ideas that brought you to this state is a bad idea. Go walk around a while and think for a bit and see if you can come up with some newer ones. 45212. judithathome - 11/9/2012 7:49:14 AM And stop acting like the very epitome of what even Bill O'Reilly readily admits is all that remains of the GOP: a bitter old white male. 45213. judithathome - 11/9/2012 10:57:38 PM This is some hard truth-telling for conservatives...they would would do well to heed what this guy has to say but of course, they won't:
How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File 45214. concerned - 11/10/2012 2:15:57 AM Re 45211 -
Resonance - how about you save your King Shithead act for the AP whose study I cited, if you don't like their numbers?
Also,I'm working in aerospace/defense right now in a 'blue' state and I can assure you that Democrats are overrepresented among middle management here. 45215. concerned - 11/10/2012 2:18:36 AM Re. 45210 -
arky - You would call any honest talk about race 'racist'. My black work associates approached me with this information - so you are effectively saying that unless I hold my hands against my ears when they do this, I'm 'racist'.
Frankly, you're being offensive and a bit racist yourself. 45216. concerned - 11/10/2012 2:25:11 AM From the White House: CIA Director David Petraeus is resigning over an 'affair', effective immediately.
How convenient for the 0bama Administration - Petraeus was scheduled to testify before Congress next week regarding the Benghazi coverup.
Don't bother me with idiot BS that there was no relationship between this and Benghazi. 45217. concerned - 11/10/2012 2:29:10 AM arky -
You aren't worth paying attention to when you insist on double standards. With you, it's fine is AP writes a propaganda article about it, or if Larry Elder opines about it, but you say I 'sound like a racist' if I agree with Larry Elder.
arky - you are being completely hypocritical. I'll ask you to take it a little easier with your in-your-face double standards in the future. 45218. concerned - 11/10/2012 2:35:20 AM From Ben Shapiro, CIA Director Petraeus Resigns Over 'Affair':
This is only the latest in a string of groundshaking events demonstrating that the Obama administration hid information vital to the American people during the last days of the 2012 election cycle. The fact that the most respected soldier of his generation, Petraeus, would be leaving the administration during an Obama second term, had to be known by the White House prior to the election. And they said nothing in order to run out the clock.
The fact that Attorney General Eric Holder was considering stepping down from the administration had to be known by the White House prior to the election. Meanwhile, during the election cycle, the Obama administration claimed executive privilege in order to shield Holder from questions about Fast and Furious.
The fact that an American drone was fired upon in international airspace by Iranian airplanes was hidden from the American public for a week in order to prevent the American public from recognizing the failure of the Obama Iranian foreign policy.
The facts in Benghazi were lied about by virtually every member of the Obama administration for weeks upon weeks.
The fact that the administration had been slow-walking reams of vital regulation to beyond the election in order to avoid scaring off voters was hidden from the public.
Now that the Obama administration has succeeded in winning a second term, they are cleaning house. The two figures most linked to the disaster in Benghazi, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Petraeus, are gone. The figure most linked with Fast and Furious, Eric Holder, will be gone. The figure most linked to the administration’s economic failures, Secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner, will be gone.
Only Obama remains. He ran out the clock on his scandals, and now throws anyone associated with them overboard.
The Petraeus resignation is only the most recent evidence that the Obama administration will lie to the American people to achieve its ends. But with all of his experts gone, Obama’s cabinet will now be staffed by the political C team in a time of crisis, both domestically and internationally.
Most rotten, corrupt crew in US history, but no doubt 0bama has even worse up his sleeve. Just amazing that any American supports this. How do you Lefties sleep at night?
45219. arkymalarky - 11/10/2012 4:27:08 AM You are in NO position to have an "honest" talk about race, and your lame attempt to describe your spew above as such is laughably pathetic. 45220. concerned - 11/10/2012 7:40:06 AM I do have honest talks about race with black people, unlike you. Your reaction to my posting shows this, and you are beholden to a political party that bears the legacy of US racism and even today suppresses the black family and encourages dependency, whereas I support the political party of individual freedom.
Anyway, in the future, try to keep your double standards a couple of notches below blatant hypocrisy, ok? 45221. concerned - 11/10/2012 8:39:13 AM From Mark Steyn, The Edge of the Abyss:
In the course of his first term, Obama increased the federal debt by just shy of $6 trillion and in return grew the economy by $905 billion. So, as Lance Roberts at Street Talk Live pointed out, in order to generate every dollar of economic growth the United States had to borrow about five dollars and 60 cents. There’s no one out there on the planet — whether it’s “the rich” or the Chinese — who can afford to carry on bankrolling that rate of return. According to one CBO analysis, U.S.-government spending is sustainable as long as the rest of the world is prepared to sink 19 percent of its GDP into U.S. Treasury debt. We already know the answer to that: In order to avoid the public humiliation of a failed bond auction, the U.S. Treasury sells 70 percent of the debt it issues to the Federal Reserve — which is to say the left hand of the U.S. government is borrowing money from the right hand of the U.S. government. It’s government as a Nigerian e-mail scam, with Ben Bernanke playing the role of the dictator’s widow with $4 trillion under her bed that she’s willing to wire to Timmy Geithner as soon as he sends her his bank-account details.
If that’s all a bit too technical, here’s the gist: There’s nothing holding the joint up.
So Washington cannot be saved from itself. For the moment, tend to your state, and county, town and school district, and demonstrate the virtues of responsible self-government at the local level. Americans as a whole have joined the rest of the Western world in voting themselves a lifestyle they are not willing to earn. The longer any course correction is postponed the more convulsive it will be. Alas, on Tuesday, the electorate opted to defer it for another four years. I doubt they’ll get that long.
Just wanted to let you Lefties know what the bottom line is regarding what you're being so smug about. What's the German word for pleasure at your own misfortune, Lefties? 45222. resonance - 11/10/2012 8:51:16 AM Well, I'd feel a little funny taking your anecdotal evidence as being worth something, concerned; as generally unhinged as you are about politics I shudder to think what sort of means a man such as you uses to determine who is, and is not, a Democrat.
Thankfully, we don't have to do anything of the sort. Campaign finance laws allow us to track where donations are coming from, and in the case of the defense industry, the results are as unsurprising as you are: two thirds of their support is for Republican candidates, and one third for Democrats -- half as much, if you want to do the math.
OpenSecrets.org
But, seriously, go on ahead with the 'double down on the dumb'. At this rate you'll be arboreal within a year.
45223. concerned - 11/10/2012 5:37:52 PM Re. 45222 -
My 'anecdotal' evidence beats your total lack of the same. And I never said that the laid off personnel were 'all' 0bama voters, anyway - and your info is not dispositive in any way because no correlation has been established.
Your insults are totally gratuitous - typical of a Lefty.
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