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45307. thoughtful - 11/17/2012 4:56:50 AM I'm not so sure that's a comment on being part of the working poor or as much a comment on the general loss of empathy, compassion for others, and a general rise in self-centeredness that seems to be permeating society. I doubt the couple could care less that she was on WIC....I suspect they were miffed for being inconvenienced.
Trinkaus' work suggests that small courtesies (cooperating with the limit of items in the express lane at a grocery, stop signs, pushing shopping carts back) are not only rarely observed but that the rate of observation is deteriorating. 45308. arkymalarky - 11/17/2012 5:24:11 AM That as it may be, the hostility against people on public assistance is getting very unpleasant, which is ironic in such a poor state. I hear it all the time--far more in recent years for some reason. 45309. iiibbb - 11/17/2012 6:06:04 AM There's jobs, and there's jobs
As George Carlin once said...
 45310. iiibbb - 11/17/2012 6:26:04 AM Message # 45306
I wish I could believe compassion was more prevalent of yore, but it doesn't take a deep perusal of history or literature to know that not much has changed about human behavior. 45311. concerned - 11/17/2012 7:58:56 AM I'm sure you guys actually have some empathy for the 18,500 former Hostess employees, but their plight to me illustrates why unions in the private sector are declining - this one negotiated Hostess out of business and is walking away without even looking back! 45312. concerned - 11/17/2012 8:10:26 AM Btw, the real reason I came here again was to mention something that the 'Tax it if it moves' contingent will never admit - higher taxes reduce the world competitiveness of American corporations - to not tax more only businesses that have profits of less than $250,000 may seem ok for a mom & pop drugstore or local carwash or burger joint, but what about an independent supermarket or medical rehabilitation center? And any business that has to invest in R&D in leading edge technology or product development? Take away their profits and you take away their competitiveness.
It's a virtual crime against rational thought to oversimplify the criteria for taxation to the point where "over $250K profit='bad', under $250K profit='good'". 45313. concerned - 11/17/2012 8:25:38 AM I'll except Wombat here - he not only has the empathy of a scorpion but the brain power of one, too. He'll post literally anything as an apologist for the worst Left wing excesses, no matter how ridiculous, as he amply demonstrates in 45303 (I'm referring to his totally gratuitous comments there, for anybody who is having trouble 'getting it'). 45314. concerned - 11/17/2012 8:58:20 AM From CNN Money:
Frank Hurt, president of the bakers' union, called the liquidation "a deep disappointment" but said his members weren't the ones responsible, blaming the various management teams in place at Hostess over the past eight years for failing to turn the firm around.
"Our members decided they were not going to take any more abuse from a company they have given so much to for so many years," Hurt said in a statement late Friday. "They decided that they were not going to agree to another round of outrageous wage and benefit cuts and give up their pension only to see yet another management team fail and Wall Street vulture capitalists and 'restructuring specialists' walk away with untold millions of dollars."
Now I know who Wombat is - certainly at least where he got his CYA talking points from. Guess all these bakers union members now out of a job as well as the other 13,000 former Hostess employees aren't going to be taking any more abuse, or anything else like salaries, from these fat cat twinkies from now on. With union bosses like this, who needs enemies? 45315. concerned - 11/17/2012 9:29:49 AM From a post to a NYT article about the Hostess shutdown:
Sure, corporations will hurt us if we stand up to their ongoing depredations on their workers. And sure, Wall Street will hurt us if we stand up to their ongoing frauds and gambling games with our nation's wealth. And sure, republicans will hurt us if we don't continue to coddle the rich with tax cuts.
But until we resolve to take it on the chin and use our own considerable power (with boycotts and protests as well as our votes), their blackmail and extortionate tactics will go on decimating our lives and our children's, too. So God bless the union, and the brave working people for standing up to the bullies at last.
Just wow. "ongoing depredations on their workers"... has this person ever even held a job, or considered changing from a job he didn't like, or maybe starting his own business if he actually has any better ideas? What a load of Leftist bullshit. 45316. concerned - 11/17/2012 9:53:17 AM Btw, if the Hostess management was planning to liquidate the company all along and skip out with obscene profits, they wouldn't have offered two board seats to union members and a 25% stake in the company to employees. Also, the Teamsters advised the Bakers Union to accept these terms (among others) because of the financial condition of Hostess.
Guess Wombat missed all that, but it did give him an opening to take some sleazy cheap shots at Bain Capital. 45317. iiibbb - 11/17/2012 4:19:28 PM sounds like a bunch of "winners" on both sides of the table... but the only political feeling I get is thankfulness a person like Romney didn't win.
I have no love for unions, my interactions with them have been very stereotypical. Although, I will side with them on virtually any worker safety issue.
Hostess isn't a measure of good managment or a good union. major missteps by both sides. 45318. Wombat - 11/17/2012 8:10:26 PM The owners of Hostess offered the union equity in the firm in exchange for the union giving up their pension rights and health insurance. Let's see, equity in a mismanaged firm going through bankruptcy for a second time in ten years, with a declining market share. Sounds like a winner to me. The workers were screwed no matter what. Management won't be losing any money, though.
I'll take "talking points" from the Wall Street Journal over Concerned's bubble any time. Notice how Concerned parrots back particular words, when he doesn't have a legitimate argument. Transference, thy name is Concerned. 45319. judithathome - 11/17/2012 8:19:04 PM 45311.
You act as though the union workers are still IN THEIR JOBS! They are SOL, too, ya know. They didn't cause this shutdown...the greed and mismanagement of the higher-ups who drove the company into bankruptcy with debt and multimillion dollar raises/salaries did that...where's your outrage toward them for Baining their company?? 45320. judithathome - 11/17/2012 8:22:55 PM Here's an edit to illustrate the transference:
...I'll except Conn'd here - he not only has the empathy of a scorpion but the brain power of one, too. He'll post literally anything as an apologist for the worst Right wing excesses, no matter how ridiculous... 45321. Wombat - 11/17/2012 8:36:40 PM Judith's edit nails Concerned's posting philosphy perfectly. Anyone with half a brain can see that, which is why--I guess--Concerned doesn't.
45322. judithathome - 11/18/2012 6:09:05 AM Hey...I'm gonna get a jump on Conn'd and post this before he does!
And the evidence keeps piling up - Republicans are absolutely, mind-bogglingly, batshit crazy!
President Obama is using a Cold War-era mind-control technique known as "Delphi" to coerce Americans into accepting his plan for a United Nations-run communist dictatorship in which suburbanites will be forcibly relocated to cities. That's according to a four-hour briefing delivered to Republican state senators at the Georgia state Capitol last month.
On October 11, at a closed-door meeting of the Republican caucus convened by the body's majority leader, Chip Rogers, a tea party activist told Republican lawmakers that Obama was mounting this most diabolical conspiracy. The event—captured on tape by a member of the Athens-based watchdog Better Georgia (who was removed from the room after 52 minutes)—had been billed as an information session on Agenda 21, a nonbinding UN agreement that commits member nations to promote sustainable development. In the eyes of conservative activists, Agenda 21 is a nefarious plot that includes forcibly relocating non-urban-dwellers and prescribing mandatory contraception as a means of curbing population growth. The invitation to the Georgia state Senate event noted the presentation would explain: "How pleasant sounding names are fostering a Socialist plan to change the way we live, eat, learn, and communicate to 'save the earth.'"
45323. Wombat - 11/18/2012 6:16:37 AM So it's the opposite of the Khmer Rouge forcibly relocating city dwellers to the countryside. Can't those commies at least be consistent? 45324. Wombat - 11/18/2012 11:06:36 PM Here's real Concerned-bait:
Charlotte Allen, a columnist for the LA Times, thinks that the Republicans can win in 2016 if they run Sara Palin. Allen apparently was not writing satirically.
Whaddaya think, Concerned? Could you get behind Palin for president? 45325. iiibbb - 11/19/2012 7:21:10 PM Do you think when Obama finally gets these reeducation camps going we can all volunteer for Concerned, or do you think we'll just be too busy? 45326. Wombat - 11/19/2012 8:11:21 PM He's pretty far down on the wingnut totem pole. There are only so many black helicopters and UN operatives. I hope you ment "volunteer" Concerned. I have no desire to go a reeducation camp, imaginary or otherwise.
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