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45536. iiibbb - 12/8/2012 9:24:59 PM To put it another way; if the goal is to wound, injure... a gun is a completely inappropriate tool. 45537. judithathome - 12/8/2012 10:12:14 PM You are mistaking my remarks as something they are not...I am against carrying guns AT ALL...I am against having a gun in the house AT ALL.
I am against guns. For sport, for protection, for anyhing. Period.
If your laws are to be taken to their logical extreme...that pointing a gun at someone automatically means you want that person dead, are you also saying police should shoot to kill every time? Is THAT why police are armed? To potentially kill everyone they seek to subdue?
Or are those laws simply for those of us who are so paranoid we think we need guns to protect ourselves from the government...a government with an army, tanks, and warhead-armed drones?
And please don't say if guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns.
45538. iiibbb - 12/8/2012 10:18:12 PM I won't.
It's a free society. Gun rights are guaranteed. It is up to me to decide what protection I wish to have.
If you think a black-belt serves your needs that's fine. Unfortunately I've had 2 close calls that made me a gun owner. I have a few friends where a gun made the difference in their continued presence in this world (and neither of them actually shot anyone).
I certainly don't have a desire to shoot anyone, but I can conceive of circumstances where I consider it my prerogative in spite of your feelings about them. Just as I think my opinions about abortion aren't relevant to what a woman does with her body.
It's the cost of a free society. 45539. judithathome - 12/8/2012 11:03:24 PM It's too great a cost for me.
We lived in Japan...a country that is very crowded and people have limited "personal space". Gun ownership is outlawed there and little kids can walk around busy city streets day or night and feel safe. I never felt more secure than when I lived in a country that didn't allow people to tote guns around.
Same with Germany...no guns.
You know what the difference is? People respect the law in those two countries...if someone messes with a child in Japan, it is instant prison and many times the death penalty...Japanese people know this is the law and they respect the hell out of laws in their country. They don't mess with kids.
In Germany, if you get caught once and get a DUI...you lose your license for a year. If you get caught again, it's 5 years...third time, you lose it for life and serve time. Taxis do a booming business in Germany. And laws are respected there.
Here, we don't have that much respect for the law of the land. And we feel like the way to settle many arguments is to kill the person with whom we're disagreeing.
So what if a few innocent men, women, and chldren get killed in the meantime...that's the cost of a "free" society. Collateral damage. 45540. iiibbb - 12/8/2012 11:12:05 PM My only respose is that you're accounting is too narrow. There are other factors in violent crime here compared to those homogeneous cultures. 45541. Wombat - 12/9/2012 12:41:19 AM Assuming that most gun users are not elite marksmen, one aims--or points--the weapon at the largest mass. In a human, that's not the leg. 45542. iiibbb - 12/9/2012 3:59:05 PM 
45543. Wombat - 12/9/2012 5:50:48 PM Ah, those were the days... 45544. judithathome - 12/9/2012 7:33:21 PM Look at the address on that poster: 1625 Eye Street....they spelled out "I" which is two blocks over from "K" Street...that alphabet area is nothing but lobbyists and has been for numerous decades.
45545. robertjayb - 12/10/2012 12:03:20 AM
"Fixing" SS, Medicare and MedicAid to lower the deficit is a lot like the Iraq invasion...after we were attacked by a bunch of Saudi nationals based in Afghanistan.
(Wounded Bear at Democratic Underground)
45546. robertjayb - 12/10/2012 12:20:58 AM
"Fixing" SS, Medicare and MedicAid to lower the deficit is a lot like the Iraq invasion...after we were attacked by a bunch of Saudi nationals based in Afghanistan.
(Wounded Bear at Democratic Underground)
45547. robertjayb - 12/11/2012 6:08:04 PM  45548. concerned - 12/13/2012 8:46:21 PM
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It's all the UN's and Congress's fault! 45549. concerned - 12/13/2012 8:52:25 PM From Newsmax: Harry Belafonte, on Sharpton's MSNBC show lashed out at Republicans, saying that their continued presence in Washington, DC constituted an “infection” of sorts. He also told his host that the only thing left for Obama to do with opposition figures who continue to disagree with him was to “Work like a Third World dictator and just put all these guys in jail.” Sharpton did not remonstrate.
With the above and with the likes of Jamie Foxx's racist genocide 'jokes', and cult of personality Leftists increasingly coming out in the open with similar opinions, the face of Leftism is revealing itself as being totalitarian and fascist. Not a surprise since few Leftists have a balanced grounding in reality - their preferred response to opposition is more pressure, coercion, intolerance, suppression and finally violence.
 45550. concerned - 12/13/2012 8:54:32 PM I personally think winning the fight is being the bigger person and solving the situation in a non-lethal way.
Are you saying Zimmerman should have shot to wound only? 45551. concerned - 12/13/2012 8:57:00 PM By a huge margin, most firearms violence is with illegal, unregistered guns. No laws restricting gun ownership will change that. 45552. concerned - 12/13/2012 8:58:57 PM I recall hearing that the majority of outsourced industries in the past 50 years have been dominated by unions. I'll have to research that. 45553. Wombat - 12/13/2012 9:06:44 PM Ah, the feces flinger is back! 45554. concerned - 12/13/2012 9:10:35 PM Illinois Gun Control Advocate running for Congress out on bond after gun charge
It appears Trotter has been raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars working as a security firm 'consultant' while inveighing in public against gun ownership.
This reminds me of strong gun control advocate and newspaper columnist Carl Rowan who shot and injured a teenager near his swimming pool several years back.
I believe many outspoken gun control types are elitist hypocrites who own handguns and often use them illegally. People like this have no integrity. None.
45555. concerned - 12/13/2012 9:13:02 PM Re. 45553 -
It's called 'dissent', Wombat. Better put your fascist attitude back in the closet.
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