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I think it makes sense to leave the red border around a thumbnail image as a reminder that it is a link, but I think you can remove it my adding "Border="0" " to the link image.

here is a test:



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437. arkymalarky - 10/2/1999 3:25:35 AM

Thanks Dusty, you really are helpful. Hm, that would have made you a good Mote name; then we'd have Thoughtful and Helpful.
I don't know what are free fonts and what aren't, I only know what's in my various computer programs and some I have I can't read on the net. Is there a list of free fonts somewhere? You should be able to read this as Bellevue. I have Bellevue on Word at home and at work, so I don't know why I wouldn't be able to see them at both places, but I can see it at work, and I don't know if it's a Nsc/IE thing or what.
Also, I converted my default font, or whatever it's called, from TNR to Bradley Hand ITC and everything is in that now, but I can't use the same font on my website.

438. CalGal - 10/2/1999 3:32:29 AM

BTW, I am rewriting the HTML Hints page. I expect to have the following sections:

1. Text appearance
2. Text formatting (lists, blockquotes, any others?)
3. Images
4. Tables
5. Common mistakes

439. arkymalarky - 10/2/1999 3:45:02 AM

Thanks, Cal.
Your website will display whatever font is coded in the pages it displays. If you don't specify a font, it will display TNR, which is the default. If you specify a font that another person doesn't have loaded on their PC, then you will see the font, but they will see TNR.

Here's what's happening, though. I have the font. I can use the font. I put it on my website and I can see the font. I go home and pull up my website and I see TNR. I look on my home pc and I have the font, so why can't I see it, yet I can see it at work? The same thing works in reverse, and some fonts which I have and can use or can even set as a default font, I can't get to show up using html on both computers. Does it have to be in my browser, not just my computer? If that's it, I guess I need to look at my work browser's font list and pick a font that's on both lists. So far the only fonts that work on both are TNR and Arial. But if that's it, why can't I use Bradley Hand ITC when I'm editing the site at home? I can set it as my whole default, but when I use it as the font face, it won't show up.

440. arkymalarky - 10/2/1999 3:45:35 AM

Where can I find the free font list?

441. phillipdavid - 10/2/1999 4:05:34 AM

Arky,

FontFreak.com -- download and install to your heart's contentment.

This page has handy instructions to install fonts correctly so that they work in all of the programs on your computer.

442. arkymalarky - 10/2/1999 4:12:24 AM

Thanks, PD! I've got that bookmarked, and I'll bookmark it at work too, and see if following their installation instructions on both computers fixes the problem and allows me to see all the fonts in both places.

443. pseudoerasmus - 10/2/1999 4:22:27 AM

Dusty, yes, I'm aware of thumbnails. Please don't teach me HTML.

444. dusty - 10/2/1999 4:22:56 AM

Arky, as you can see, there are about 2500 free fonts on that site alone, and there are many other sites with free fonts, so it isn't really practical to make a list of the free fonts. However, it someone refers to a specific font, you can use a search engine (such as Google.com) to find the font. That's how I found Bellevue, but I found it on an Adobe site. It could be downloaded for a fee.

For example,
here is the site where Bellevue can be obtained, but it costs $96.00, so I doubt you will find too many takers.

445. pseudoerasmus - 10/2/1999 4:23:02 AM

Thanks, Dusty, for the Cyrillic workout. The second one is the correct one.

446. dusty - 10/2/1999 4:23:51 AM

pseudoerasmus

Don't be an ass—that comment was directed at other readers as much as at you.

447. CalGal - 10/2/1999 4:28:09 AM

I still like the idea of someone putting together our own site with commonly used fonts.

448. arkymalarky - 10/2/1999 4:38:57 AM

I'll compare the ones on the FontFreak list with what I've got on both pcs. That site has more than I'd ever be interested in, and it will let me see what I already have that's free. I guess the Bellevue just came with a program on my school pc which I don't have here.

449. dusty - 10/2/1999 4:41:44 AM

I think, as a general rule, if a font name begins with "ITC", it is a commercial version. I think people have created free versions, looking almost identical, and used the same name except placing the "ITC" at the end. For example, there is a font called Bradley Hand ITC and one called ITC Bradley Hand. The second one can be purchased, but the other one can be downloaded for free in a number of places. If someone has better information on this, please share it. I'm sure there are some people putting purchased fonts up on websites for download, and we do not want to encourage that.

Many people may also be interested in a font called "comic sans" I believe CG is using it in her webpages. One site offers a download with both fonts here

450. arkymalarky - 10/2/1999 4:43:32 AM

That's one both of my pcs have, but I can't see on my website when I try to use it.

451. dusty - 10/2/1999 4:45:03 AM

Arky, there's another possibility.

Just because a font is on your computer doesn't mean it is installed. I believe if it is placed in the fonts directory (under Windows, if you are using 95 or 98), it is automatically available. If it exists on another folder, I believe it can be installed, but I think that simply copies it into the right folder. You said you had the font in both places. Can you use the font (in say, Word) in both places? If not, perhaps it is in the right directory on one computer, and not the other.

452. CalGal - 10/2/1999 4:47:01 AM

Testing...
2082. pellenilsson - 10/2/99 4:46:55 AM


Polar bear Clementine dives to take a closer look at a white dog at the Aalborg Zoo in Denmark on Friday. The zoo's four polar bears took possession of their new enclosure earlier in the day.



(Source: The Jordan Times)

2083. RickNelson - 10/2/99 5:20:07 AM
I let my Netscape go two years ago and have kept my IE, which has been for the most part very reliable. I suppose I could have kept both, I'm not able to get to the flags musings.

2084. RickNelson - 10/2/99 5:20:54 AM
hmmm, isn't that an interesting wrap.

2085. pellenilsson - 10/2/99 5:21:48 AM
What did I do wrong? Should I have added a string of line breaks?

2086. RickNelson - 10/2/99 5:25:33 AM
Based solely on intuition, for I've never done one myself, I think you have the correct answer.

453. arkymalarky - 10/2/1999 4:47:30 AM

Can you use the font (in say, Word) in both places?

Yes, I can. I'll try changing folders. Thanks for the help, and I'll let you know this week whether it worked.

454. CalGal - 10/2/1999 4:48:01 AM

Changing the only possible typo--but this works fine in preview, as did the first.
2082. pellenilsson - 10/2/99 4:46:55 AM


Polar bear Clementine dives to take a closer look at a white dog at the Aalborg Zoo in Denmark on Friday. The zoo's four polar bears took possession of their new enclosure earlier in the day.



(Source: The Jordan Times)

2083. RickNelson - 10/2/99 5:20:07 AM
I let my Netscape go two years ago and have kept my IE, which has been for the most part very reliable. I suppose I could have kept both, I'm not able to get to the flags musings.

2084. RickNelson - 10/2/99 5:20:54 AM
hmmm, isn't that an interesting wrap.

2085. pellenilsson - 10/2/99 5:21:48 AM
What did I do wrong? Should I have added a string of line breaks?

2086. RickNelson - 10/2/99 5:25:33 AM
Based solely on intuition, for I've never done one myself, I think you have the correct answer.

455. dusty - 10/2/1999 4:48:41 AM

Arky, if you like the look of Bellevue, but want a font everyone can see, there is probably a font similar in appearance. Commercial Script BT is a font with some similarity to Bellevue, although Bellevue is nice in that it has a formal look, but the lower case is less flowery.

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