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45596. thoughtful - 12/29/2012 7:00:23 AM Whether you're delighted or not at being called out as a racist, it did seem that way to me. Yes I knew your husband was Hawaiian. To suggest that a haole can't represent Hawaii is like saying white men can't dance. I'm not saying that you are denigrating one race, but that you are suggesting race as a qualifying factor. Considering Hawaii is 1.3 million people of which only about 250,000 consider themselves descendants of native Hawaiians, and even fewer 100% native Hawaiian, it's not clear to me that one would need to be native Hawaiian to best represent the interests of the island, demographically or otherwise.
45597. Ms. No - 12/30/2012 3:42:52 AM I don't think Hawaiians wanting a Hawaiian senator is any more racist than New Yorkers objecting to Hillary Clinton as senator -- or any state objecting to an outsider who may not identify with the locals they are to represent as well as an actual local.
In a state like Hawaii where the people have been treated only marginally better than native peoples on the mainland, I would be surprised if there weren't objections. 45598. arkymalarky - 12/30/2012 4:14:26 AM It's not at all racist and neither is Judith, nor was Senator Inoye. Voting demographics and their concerns are a significant part of politics in such a diverse country, were a huge focus in 2012, and even in that context Hawaii is unique. 45599. arkymalarky - 12/30/2012 8:22:14 PM I'm so glad to see TJ Holmes on msnbc. I love him , and he's an Arky. 45600. thoughtful - 12/30/2012 8:59:54 PM If the statement was resident vs. nonresident then the Sen Clinton argument might be parallel, but it wasn't...it referred specifically to white vs. Hawaiian which is an ethnic/racial divide. 45601. arkymalarky - 12/30/2012 9:11:19 PM Evidently the GOP is going to shove the country of the cliff then drop a boulder on it when the debt ceiling comes up. Con'd needs to come spin this insanity. It's interesting that not a single GOP pundit is even attempting to defend it. 45602. judithathome - 12/30/2012 9:57:43 PM Fine, Thoughtful...have it your way. I feel it says as much about you as it does about me...I don't think Hawaiians would agree with you but that doesn't matter, does it?
Saying that particular statment was the most racist thing you've ever seen me type kinda says it all...you evidently think I have said racist things in the past, just not AS racist as this...
45603. PsychProf - 12/31/2012 3:56:19 PM Thoughtful...why not just discuss the issue as you see it. No need for personal attacks... 45604. thoughtful - 12/31/2012 6:40:32 PM PP, if you read what I wrote, I specifically discussed the statement. I did not say J@h was a racist...and I specifically said I didn't think her intent was to denigrate a specific race...I said the comment she made was....
I don't view this any differently than, if someone makes a statement that may be interpreted as rude and you point that out, that is not the same thing as saying someone is rude....only that in this instance a statement made may be interpreted that way. This would be especially noticeable in someone who isn't normally rude at all. If someone were rude all the time, then another rude comment wouldn't be remarkable at all.
That is in no way a personal attack. Perhaps, pp, if you view it so, it says more about you than it does about me.
J@h, you evidently think I have said racist things in the past, just not AS racist as this....
Quite the contrary. I don't associate you with racism at all, and that's why I found this statement so surprising. 45605. PsychProf - 12/31/2012 7:07:39 PM Sorry if I was wrong Thoughtful. 45606. arkymalarky - 12/31/2012 7:50:33 PM "Whether you're delighted or not at being called out as a racist, it did seem that way to me.'"
Beyond that, however, it is not racist to want one's ethnicity represented. No one suggested non-Hawaiians shouldn't represent Hawaii. Imbue's request would have made Hawaii's representation more inclusive rather than less so.
Here in the South it was standard, and still is in some places, to have an all black school with an all white school board. Wanting black representation on those boards was not and is not racist, and neither is native Hawaiuans wanting representation from their ethnic group. 45607. arkymalarky - 12/31/2012 7:53:03 PM I HATE autocorrect. Thank you Daddy Jobs (RIP), but when I typed Inouye, it is what I meant to type. 45608. iiibbb - 1/8/2013 6:12:07 AM I am immensely stressed out about this economy BS concerning the debt limit.
WTF.
I know I am not much of an economist it ain't my bag... but if the NYT can condense the decisions that can be made into a simple linear problem like this, why can't the freaking idiots in congress do the same, then sit the fuck down around a table and game it until they fucking get to something.
Just give each side equal points and they can come up with a scenario, then whichever selections they have in common they each get half those chips back and take whacks at it until everything is done in a fucking weekend. 45609. judithathome - 1/8/2013 6:07:42 PM But if they did that, where would the drama be? How could they go on the Sunday Gas Bag shows and crow about how wonderful they are for being brave in the face of disaster?
The Republiacans, many of them, have a stated goal of destroying government as we know it...they've bragged about it often enough...and if the little guy gets stung in his mutual funds when the stock market goes pffft, too effin' bad...all of them, from both parties, make obscene amounts of money FOR LIFE...not dependent on the vagaries of the national econmomy.
They don't give a rip about any of us...none of them.
If the country had any self-respect, we'd storm DC with pitchforks, tar, and feathers and demand these jerks do their jobs. I know where they can save a ton of money: cut their salaries and retirements and make their pay on "merit basis".
Instead, we watch football, American Idol, text, and play games on our cell phones...it's pitiful.
45610. robertjayb - 1/8/2013 7:24:10 PM WTF indeed.
I am tired, tired, tired of hearing about current runaway spending as a source of the debt. Shrub Bush's foolish and tragic wars of reelection and Medicare Advantage, the drug company entitlement program, ballooned the debt. Paying off a debt is not, IMHO, spending. Spending happens when the debt is incurred. It is a distinction with an important difference. 45611. robertjayb - 1/8/2013 7:58:06 PM WTF indeed.
I am tired, tired, tired of hearing about current runaway spending as a source of the debt. Shrub Bush's foolish and tragic wars of reelection and Medicare Advantage, the drug company entitlement program, ballooned the debt. Paying off a debt is not, IMHO, spending. Spending happens when the debt is incurred. It is a distinction with an important difference. 45612. robertjayb - 1/8/2013 8:02:15 PM How, he wonders, did he manage a dupe 34 minutes apart? 45613. judithathome - 1/9/2013 9:01:17 PM Ghost in the machine! 45614. arkymalarky - 1/9/2013 9:19:00 PM Refreshing 45615. iiibbb - 2/9/2013 10:07:25 AM I've been spending more time in the Democratic Underground... progressives have no less proclivity for douschbaggery in spite of what I have in common with them.
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