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46730. Trillium - 11/21/2016 8:31:45 PM Ms. No, your Wiki link goes to a Wiki page that says "Bad Title" and provides no information. If you can re-post the Wiki page I'm interested to read it.
I read all sorts of sources. And I don't feel the need to "take a bath" or get a priestly dispensation if I read something that is at odds with popular narratives.
46731. Trillium - 11/21/2016 8:33:51 PM Rude, Arky. No, I'm not "lying" -- although you're projecting.
I'm interested in the truth, and have found that truth is often twisted when people get away with doing that, because they have gotten into a position of unchallenged power and have unbridled egos.
Mr. Pie has a message for you, but you are dodging it. That's your responsibility. 46732. judithathome - 11/21/2016 9:44:18 PM I hope that percentage of blacks who voted for Trump are happy with his appointment of Jeff Sessions, one of the most racist men in Congress. 46733. arkymalarky - 11/21/2016 9:58:36 PM No again. You did not and do not think the alt right term came from the Clinton team. 46734. Ms. No - 11/21/2016 11:04:10 PM Mis-typed the code:
wikipedia link to Alt-Right - take 2 46735. judithathome - 11/22/2016 10:25:44 PM I saw the Alt-Right orginator giving a truly scary speech on TV just yesterday...Richard Spencer. Complete with an auditorium full of Trump supporters following his lead of giving the Nazi salute and yelling "Heil Tump!" 46736. judithathome - 11/22/2016 10:33:48 PM Here's the coverage: Alt-Right Salutes Trump 46737. judithathome - 11/22/2016 10:53:41 PM ...At the conference on Saturday, Mr. Spencer, who said he had coined the term, defined the alt-right as a movement with white identity as its core idea. 46738. iiibbb - 11/22/2016 11:31:17 PM Trump disavows
Two things I'm thinking about this morning.
First, there are obviously numerous Jewish people on my facebook feed. Some of them are obviously gravely concerned about the uptick in stuff like this... and also the "hail Trump" incident.
I think it is very important not to conflate Trump with these NeoNazi whackjobs. Focus on what Trump says and does and keep it to that. Focus on the NeoNazis and keep it to that. Combining them only creates sympathies for Trump and distract from the things Trump is doing to abuse his office.
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Second, something needs to be done about the new Yellow Journalism... who would happily conflate the two. Also... the notion that I could make $40K a month making up fake news... arrrg.
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Third.... I'm going to get my gun permit renewed. 46739. judithathome - 11/23/2016 12:06:08 AM I think it is very important not to conflate Trump with these NeoNazi whackjobs
Maybe if he wouild disavow them...even in an early-morning tweet!...and not keep Steve Bannon ON as his closest advisor, we would view him a tad differently. 46740. judithathome - 11/23/2016 12:06:38 AM (would) 46741. iiibbb - 11/23/2016 4:14:33 AM I think it's a trap.
if one invokes Nazis... "people" think gas chambers.... if there are no gas chambers, the comparison falls flat to "people" who think that Nazis mean gas chambers.
So one has to be careful about invoking Nazis when describing Trump. I'm not saying let Trump do or be who he wants. I am saying one has to be very careful how one frames what's going on. Because "people" don't like civil disobedience, disorder, and revolution; they think it doesn't affect them.
They are wrong of course, but there it is. 46742. judithathome - 11/23/2016 7:36:29 AM I don't think we need to assume that Nazis only mean gas chambers...there was a hell of a lot more before that was a bit more subtle.
If anyone needs to brush up on it, just sit back and watch the Trump presidency as it "evolves". 46743. iiibbb - 11/23/2016 2:59:28 PM I'm suggesting to you... people like my mom, and others I know... they do not see the parallels to now and Germany.
Nazis to them mean gas chambers.
Trump may be as bad, but his methods could very well be entirely different. May be entirely economical.
Democrats gotta play this smart. 46744. judithathome - 11/23/2016 10:07:55 PM Well, if they do, they need to stop listening to those who claim "Everytime you hear the word NAZI, the person who SAYS it loses the argument."
That axiom might have been true at one time but these days? It is patently false.
Just look at the Neo-Nazi (Alt-Right) yahoos who are following Trump...much less the ones who are his closest advisors! 46745. judithathome - 11/23/2016 10:12:39 PM And by the way...I am probably older than your mom and I see this whole thing very clearly...when you have people saying "Trump Heil!" it is the beginning of the end.
Remember HISTORY? That niggling little thing that keeps track? 46746. iiibbb - 11/23/2016 11:03:16 PM I respect your opinion obviously.
And know that I am not discounting it. My wife and kids and a whole side of my family is Jewish.
I'm already freaked out about losing my job because this administration is about as anti-environment as you can get.
There's a lot of amplification and suppression of information going on...
In the slightly more optimistic news department... check out the first 3 stories
46747. judithathome - 11/23/2016 11:29:16 PM Trust me, we have a President Elect now that has no idea what the Constitution means....he has never read it and wouldn't understand if he HAD.
He thinks he has/soon will attain Tzar status when he is sworn in...he bragged years ago that were he to run for and win the Presidency, he would be the first President to MAKE MONEY off doing so. 46748. arkymalarky - 11/23/2016 11:46:30 PM I'm encouraged by several things. First of all, I agree with Obama, who's the smartest president certainly in my lifetime and possibly since FDR, in my opinion, that it isn't the end until it's the end. I like the fact that he's got an open line of communication with Trump. Secondly, there's a lot of work being done already on the foundational level in the media and in the Democratic Party that is going to help tremendously. Third, Trump is as far short of any kind of mandate as any president in history, and people are being very Vigilant about every move he makes. Not just the press and Democrats, but Republicans like McCain and other moderates. Support of white nationalists is not going to help him unite the rest of the country behind him either. It's very polarizing, but it's also a huge negative that's going to cost him support among people who voted for him because they didn't like Hillary or they thought he'd bring jobs to the struggling rust belt or whatever marginal reasons they voted for him. Most people who voted for him in Arkansas I know thought he was an idiot, but they were so sure that Hillary was going to take away their guns and make abortion free and available for all, they voted like they always do.
The thing that bothers me the most right now is the Republican majority in both houses, and my only hope there is that if they overplay their hand that will get adjusted in 2018 post haste. That's happened to Democrats and Republicans alike when they've overreached. It's not like we haven't had that kind of situation multiple times.
My bogeyman is a naziesque move to commit some newsworthy act and blame it on opponents, using such an event to the same effect. Hate and fear are despicable human qualities, but they are very effective for herding masses. When it comes down to it, we've got to count on those institutions we've always counted on to get us through tough times. There's nothing else to do, and I'm certainly going to enjoy my personal circumstances regardless. I don't intend to live this 24/7. I'm still working on things that I was working on before, but I'm not going to be wallowing in this like I have for the past month. Life is too short, and if it's not helpful it's a waste of time. I'd rather be doing other things. 46749. judithathome - 11/24/2016 12:00:04 AM Hate and fear are despicable human qualities,
Yes but they are what seems to be running this country right now.
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