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5015. wonkers2 - 7/27/2006 3:33:03 PM Who broke the color barrier in Baseball? Jackie Robinson and Branch Rickey? NFW. Here's the answer. 5016. iiibbb - 7/27/2006 4:10:26 PM Landis doping??
Tour de France champion Floyd Landis tested positive for high levels of testosterone during the race, his Phonak team said Thursday on its Web site. 5017. wonkers2 - 7/27/2006 4:16:50 PM The Cap'n sez, "Maybe he's just hi-test like the Cap'n!" 5018. iiibbb - 7/27/2006 4:17:46 PM Better source on Landis.
I am to wonder... the human body is a wierd machine. Who knows what an adrenaline dump does to your blood chemistry.
5019. iiibbb - 7/27/2006 4:18:40 PM Another velonews article.
5020. iiibbb - 7/27/2006 4:29:02 PM Only thing that seems fishy is that a front-runner would know they're going to be tested every step of the way... so I don't understand why they would risk it.
We've already seen questionable sample handling by these testing facilities.
Who to trust? 5021. alistairconnor - 7/27/2006 4:55:18 PM Well, let's just say Floyd is a ballsy kind of guy.
He's certainly got 100% more balls than Lance. 5022. iiibbb - 7/27/2006 4:56:48 PM If he's taking testosterone... maybe not the sperm-count. 5023. alistairconnor - 7/27/2006 5:08:45 PM Well, the obvious answer as to why he would risk it is... he had just lost the race in the previous stage, and he's unlikely to ever get a better shot at winning the Tour... hip replacement and all that... and maybe it won't be detected, and maybe they won't dare declare the result if it is...
Back in the dark ages of the 80s, Pedro Delgado tested positive for something or other, while he had the yellow jersey, or possibly with a delay like this time, after he had just won the Tour. They checked his B sample and well gee, turns out he hadn't taken dope after all. No really.
It's hard to see why anyone in the cycling world would be gunning for Floyd in particular, to the extent of falsifying a positive test. Lance had enemies, some zealous officials might have tried to frame him because he was so obviously guilty and so very good at covering his tracks. But the cycling world is in convalescence after the pre-Tour drama, nobody is going to be looking for trouble.
But nobody is going to be let off the hook unduly, this time. 5024. PelleNilsson - 7/27/2006 6:15:35 PM So it seems we boring old cynics may have been right after all. 5025. iiibbb - 7/27/2006 6:24:56 PM Win the battle... lose the war. 5026. iiibbb - 7/27/2006 8:06:40 PM Best response seen on any TDF discussion so far...
"This is bogus. Any level of testosterone would be considered high in France."
lol 5027. alistairConnor - 7/27/2006 8:07:38 PM I think it's the other way round.
This is a painful but necessary stage. For too long, the sporting authorities have closed their eyes to doping.
For years they were in a bind, the characteristic dope being EPO which was not detectable. So all they could do was disqualify riders who had an EPO-induced hematocrite level of over 50 (which is not naturally possible) and rubber-stamp the others who had a level of 49...
Then France cracked down on dope (a courageous stance by the minister of sports at the time). It has taken five years for Spain and Italy to catch up, but they now seem to be serious about it too. It is no longer business as usual, now the riders just have to understand and accept the new rules. The "open" era is over. I hope.
It also appears that detection technology is catching up, and there is less of a lag between new doping methods and the means of detecting it. This is mostly a matter of resources and will on the part of the sporting authorities. 5028. alistairConnor - 7/27/2006 8:11:21 PM "I think it's the other way round"
was in response to
"Win the battle... lose the war"
I'm sure it'll take a while to change the mentalities of the riders.
... but yes, that's a good one iii... what a load of bollocks.
But your Greek chorus of boring old cynics are wrong, Pelle. 5029. alistairConnor - 7/27/2006 8:23:52 PM Going back a couple of weeks :
Sunday 16th. World Cup final is scheduled to start at 8 pm.
1 pm : my team of valiant cyclists gets off the TGV, after a four hour journey from Lyon, in Rennes. That's about 80 km from our hostel for that evening. I hadn't anticipated the additional time constraint when planning the stage -- I was counting on the long summer evenings to get us home OK without stress.
So it turned into an epic. Particularly as it wasn't as simple as just riding up the main road. Oh no, that would be too easy. There had to be forest paths, dirt tracks, preferably a bit of mud. After all, this is a mountain bike expedition.
The irony is that I was the weakest link in the team of eight. The average age is about 10 years older than me, and 10 kilos heavier too; but these guys had been training for months. I just arrived, grinning, with my rusty bike... and discovered that the magic of eternal youth is wearing thin. At 45, I was suffering well before the end of the stage, just short of cramp, and not capable of going any faster...
We got there at 8.05, just in time to see the incident that led to the first penalty.
Such dramatic viewing conditions generally lead to a French win, in my experience. But Materazzi was going to fix that...
I had arranged for a TV to be available at the hostel.
5030. iiibbb - 7/27/2006 9:46:50 PM Unfortunately, no respect for the mom.
And Floyd denies it of course....
According to him, "Hundreds" of cyclists have had elevated levels of testosterone. There are a myriad of explanations... I don't know enough about the endocrine system to say one way or the other.
Oh well. 5031. iiibbb - 7/27/2006 9:50:32 PM I will say that I love cycling... especially the tour de france... and I want to believe Floyd too. 5032. alistairConnor - 7/27/2006 11:06:20 PM Excellent article. I want to believe Floyd too.
"You put a standard testosterone patch that is used for male hormone-replacement therapy on your scrotum and leave it there for about six hours. The small dose is not sufficient to produce a positive urine result in the doping test, but the body actually recovers faster."
Hmm... Must try that. 5033. wonkers2 - 7/28/2006 12:01:42 AM Cap'n Dirty sez, "He probably ran into one a them French ladies the night before the test. They'll raise yer testtosterone every time." 5034. iiibbb - 7/28/2006 2:32:02 AM More from Floyd plus other tidbits.
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Under World Anti-Doping Agency regulations, a ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone greater than 4:1 is considered a positive result and subject to investigation. The threshold was recently lowered from 6:1. The most likely natural ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone in humans is 1:1.
Testosterone is included as an anabolic steroid on WADA’s list of banned substances, and its use can be punished by a two-year ban.
Testosterone can build muscle and improve recovery time when used over a period of several weeks, said Dr. Gary Wadler, a member of the World Anti-Doping Agency and a spokesman for the American College of Sports Medicine. But if Landis had been a user, his earlier urine tests during the tour would have been affected, he said.
“So something’s missing here,” Wadler said. “It just doesn’t add up.”
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