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5089. Max Macks - 8/7/2006 8:52:03 PM wabbit , any chance at all that the decision
to take away the title from Landis will be reversed?? 5090. iiibbb - 8/7/2006 8:59:56 PM I would say the odds are less than 30% he'll get it reversed. 5091. iiibbb - 8/7/2006 9:05:31 PM He's in the position of having to prove innocence. So he will either have to show willful negligence on the part of the testing facility... or he will somehow have to prove that it was natural.
The glitch with the ratio is that according to some reports his testosterone was not high, his epitestosterone was low, which also drives the ratio up.
The glitch with the carbon isotope analysis is that according to some reports he was close (but over) to the threshold for failing that test. There was some question about the certainty of the value.
How he passes several tests prior... and several tests after is a big question. I think they should be doing carbon isotopes on the previous and prior samples. If you saw a spike then that would be a pretty good indicator.
He's not going to get off on circumstantial evidence though. 5092. wabbit - 8/7/2006 10:23:05 PM iiibbb is right. There may well be a problem with the tests. But claiming innocence and whining about how he has been picked on isn't going to sway anyone in a position to be helpful. The maillot jaune hasn't been taken from Landis yet, but imo, it is just a matter of time. That will effectively end his career. 5093. alistairconnor - 8/8/2006 10:56:58 AM It's terribly unfair for Floyd : I'm convinced that he's the cleanest winner of the Tour for at least ten years.
I may be wrong, but I'm sticking to my original impression that he used testosterone out of desperation on that one occasion to help recover from a disastrous day, and to give him the drive to counter-attack.
Whereas the EPO era, and the more sophisticated forms of blood doping of recent years, were far worse. 5094. iiibbb - 8/8/2006 2:44:23 PM I don't know if it will end his career or not. Say he was really actually clean... his surgery goes well... he comes back in 2 years and could win the tour in 2-5 years clean as can be.
LeMond's theory is that he was basically clean, but made a bad decision the night after his bad day. 5095. wonkers2 - 8/8/2006 3:41:46 PM That makes sense to me--i.e. bad decsion after a bad day. He may have gambled or gotten advice that he would go undetected. 5096. iiibbb - 8/8/2006 4:24:52 PM Either way the UCI is going to have to go through the motions of stripping the title... fair or not. Landis will have to collect his case and appeal the decision. It's a tall order. The UCI can't exactly afford any more egg on their faces after botching this case.
It's quite analogous to one of us suing the gov't. 5097. wabbit - 8/8/2006 4:25:06 PM That he made a bad decision if he used a patch (or whatever) I will agree with, but I find it hard to believe that he thought he'd not be tested. He knew he had to make a huge move to be in contention; that kind of thing draws attention. Also, there has been more rigorous testing this year than in the past, at least superficially, if not in fact. It seems incredible that anyone would risk the win when the odds of being tested had to be very high.
What do you all think about Pat McQuaid's idea of punishing team bosses along with riders? If one believes that most athletes couldn't pull their heads out of their butts with two hands and a winch, then perhaps it's time to hold the folks in charge of the team accountable as well. 5098. alistairconnor - 8/8/2006 4:36:39 PM Absolutely agree. Clearly, the most egrerious cases of modern times have been completely under the control of the team and its medical staff : the big bust of Richard Virenque's team in 1998, and this year's Spanish blood doping scandal.
On the other hand, I've got a problem with Floyd's claims in the same article :
Meanwhile, Landis, who risks being stripped of his Tour title, hit back Monday at world cycling authorities, accusing them of ambushing him with the premature release of doping tests. [...] "Had they followed their own protocols, this never would have happened in the first place."
That sounds suspiciously, to me, like "if we could have talked it over before releasing the results, we could have hushed it up"... what else could he possibly mean?
I have a suspicion that positive drug tests, on the Tour at least, happen more often than is reported... i.e. the labs are scientific and impartial, the Tour organisation is neither. I suspect that the premature release of the A test may have been a whistle-blowing operation, to forestall a cover-up... 5099. iiibbb - 8/8/2006 4:49:14 PM
I have a suspicion that positive drug tests, on the Tour at least, happen more often than is reported... i.e. the labs are scientific and impartial, the Tour organisation is neither. I suspect that the premature release of the A test may have been a whistle-blowing operation, to forestall a cover-up...
That is entirely believable. 5100. Max Macks - 8/8/2006 5:41:41 PM I can't help wondering whether if all the bikers
used that tetesterone whether Landis would
still be the winner !
I mean just the part of his hip hurting for
much of the way , was what makes me think
his winning either with or without the dope
was a great thing,
and as he knew he would be tested and had been
it seems to me he would not risk taking
any dope.
Is there a lot of money involved in the Tour de france
or just the money from endorsing products?
It's a little off-topic but
what do you think about Barry Bonds?
I think he used steroids and that any
record Home runs he made should
have some * or something by the figure. 5101. iiibbb - 8/11/2006 12:17:31 AM Why the UCI sucks 5102. wabbit - 8/13/2006 5:06:14 PM I think if Bonds can be proven to have used steroids, he should be *'d, along with Sosa, McGuire, and anyone else. 5103. wabbit - 8/13/2006 5:06:30 PM  A beautiful day in suburban Chicago proved to be a proper setting for veteran turf runner The Tin Man to return to the Arlington Million after a three year absence. The eight-year-old captured the 24th renewal of the Arlington Million with a front-running effort. Three years ago The Tin Man crossed the wire sixth in a 13 horse field. In 2006 the gelding took the lead going under the wire for the first time. He was pressured by Manhattan Handicap winner Cacique, Major Rhythm and 2-1 favorite English Channel.
The Tin Man, ridden by Victor Espinoza, set a moderate pace and was able to hold on for the win. He hit the wire 1 3/4 lengths ahead of Cacique with Soldier Hollow gaining third and English Channel, winner of the United Nations Handicap, finishing fourth in the ten horse field. The time for the 1 1/4 miles was 2:01.35 on a firm turf. Completing the order of finish for Arlington Million XXIV was Cosmonaut, Ace, Better Talk Now, Touch of Land, Major Rhythm and Phoenix Beach.
5104. wabbit - 8/13/2006 5:07:42 PM  Manny Ramirez squelched a potential tiebreaking rally in the ninth inning by throwing out Brandon Fahey at third base. Then the Boston left fielder picked on his Baltimore counterpart one more time. Ramirez singled with two on and nobody out in the 10th, and Fahey ran past it for a game-ending error on Saturday as the Red Sox rallied from a four-run deficit to force extra innings and beat the Orioles 8-7.
Ian Snell pitched seven effective innings and Freddy Sanchez's three hits led to each of the last-place Pirates' runs in a 3-2 victory over the NL Central-leading St. Louis Cardinals on Saturday night. Snell (10-8), the only Pirates starter with a winning record who has been with the club all season, was successful in his third attempt at victory No. 10, giving up only Albert Pujols' two-run homer in the fifth inning.
Todd Walker, Josh Barfield and Mike Cameron homered in the fourth off newcomer Jason Hirsh, and the Padres stopped a four-game losing streak by beating the Houston Astros 6-3. San Diego had reached six runs only once since July 27 and lost nine of 13 games.
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5105. alistairconnor - 8/18/2006 12:45:44 PM Landis's sponsor calls it a day. Swiss hearing-aid mogul Andy Rihs just keeps on getting let down by his riders. My heart bleeds for him :
The disgraced Tour de France winner's former team, unable to find a buyer since Landis was busted for doping, will shut down at the end of the season.
"I've had to do something I've never done in my whole life," Phonak owner Andy Rihs said Tuesday. "Give up."
Phonak's image had already been badly damaged by 10 other doping cases since the Swiss-based team was launched seven seasons ago.
[...]
Phonak team manager John Lelangue had no answer for the unusually high number of cheating athletes within the Phonak team over the years.
"It's all individual cases. There were old guys, young guys, experienced guys, with and without results," Lelangue said. "There was no one common profile. It's a very unfortunate coincidence."
Just rotten luck I guess. 5106. wonkers2 - 8/18/2006 4:45:57 PM Cap'n Dirty's race last night. 5107. wabbit - 8/19/2006 8:43:50 PM Nice, Cap'n. I'm starting to remember some of the boat names. 5108. wabbit - 8/19/2006 8:44:13 PM Landis' sponsor isn't the only one calling it a day: The father-in-law of embattled Tour de France winner Floyd Landis was found dead in his car after committing suicide, coroner's officials said Wednesday.
The body of 57-year-old David Witt was discovered at a parking garage Tuesday afternoon, said Paul Parker, an investigator with the San Diego County Medical Examiner. He had a gunshot wound to the head, and the death was ruled a suicide, Parker said... Ok, I know, too mean.
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