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5217. iiibbb - 10/17/2006 3:22:50 PM Landis releases his testing documents. I have to say I beleive Landis now.
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For the synopsis, look at the Floy Landis SS_final.pdf file. There is no excuse for the lab's mishandling of the samples, or the misreporting of results (take note of the Carbon Isotope Test results among others).
The mislabeling of samples is also bad news for the lab (or at least should be). 5218. iiibbb - 10/17/2006 3:25:44 PM Message # 5214
And several of them are sitting out the rest of the season... I think one of the UFI students was thrown off the team forever.
I do hate Miami though. 5219. iiibbb - 10/17/2006 3:27:11 PM Oops... jsut saw your follow-up 5220. wabbit - 10/17/2006 3:53:18 PM Two things about Landis:
- He is smart to release these documents to the public. Since the press is primarily interested in scandal, they should be able to sink their small pointy teeth into something here. Especially since the bulk of the gruntwork has been done for them.
- I have to agree with you; looking at that synopsis, how did anyone ever come to the conclusion that Landis was doping?
Landis may be guilty of doping, or not, but it sure doesn't look like this series of lab tests are anywhere close to proving he was. 5221. wonkers2 - 10/18/2006 4:35:00 AM W2's Sailing Pics from San Francisco Bay. 5222. alistairconnor - 10/18/2006 10:08:04 AM Cycling is full of money, conspiracy theories, and dope. I believe that dope tests have been scientifically designed to avoid positive tests for years.
I have no idea what happened with Floyd. Why would the Powers that Be conspire to falsely accuse him, when the sport is already reeling from true doping scandals? Rogue lab technicians, determined to frame someone after years of seeing cheats get off scot-free? Sheer incompetence, as portrayed in this dossier? Opinions? 5223. iiibbb - 10/18/2006 3:16:04 PM - Because _their_ guy isn't winning?
- Because they were paid by some other team (if you can't dope... make it look like their guy did)?
- Of course never underestimate sheer incompitance, and administrative tunnel vision. It could be that the cylcing powers that be think they're doing the right thing, but that the lab simply made a HUGE mistake. 5224. alistairconnor - 10/18/2006 3:44:32 PM Because _their_ guy isn't winning?
Who might he be? I want names! (there hasn't been a credible French candidate in a decade...)
I'm beginning to think the three-week bicycle race is fundamentally a bad idea, because the human organism can't keep up that level of intense athletic effort without cheating.
How about replacing the Tour de France with ten one-day events, spread over a month, with two rest days between each stage? 5225. wabbit - 10/18/2006 4:36:49 PM I don't know that we'll ever know the who, if there is one (or more). The samples could have been mishandled/mislabeled right from the time of collection. Lab incompetence in this case seems obvious, but that might be dealt with by sending samples to a few different labs. Maybe someone simply screwed up and in an attempt to hide their error, the whole thing snowballed into a huge mess. I doubt anyone will be coming forward to confess to either collusion or incompetence.
What I would like to know is who decided to go forward with testing the Landis sample in the first place. From the synopsis, it looks like that shouldn't have happened (see screen 10 of the Floyd Landis SS_final.pdf). Or is this synopsis misinterpreting the rules?
AC, isn't there some discussion going on about rethinking the TdF format? I swear I read something about just that very idea not more than a month ago. 5226. wabbit - 10/18/2006 4:42:28 PM Message # 5221 - great pics, wonkers2! 5227. iiibbb - 10/18/2006 5:31:53 PM Message # 5224
You were caught by my rouse... I don't believe in conspiracy.
Besides... if you believe that Landis was despirate enough to cheat with such and obvious method; given there are supposively a miriad of ways to cheat that can't be detected (according to LeMond and others)... then why is it so hard to believe that someone would buy off a lab worker to spike Landis' samples?
Regardless, what I think happened was simply a lab error, and I don't necessarily assing any malevolence to it. A lab mistake is very plausible, particularly mislabling of samples. I've made such mistakes many times myself... and I consider myself to be very diligent about such things. I am diligent because when you make a labling error or whatnot it often means a trip back out to the field, or restarting a procedure.
So what Wabbit says is plausible. Somebody botched the chain of custody or a lab procedure and it's snowballed to the point that they'd be stupid to admit it now. The only thing the lab can do is change it's protocols for future tests. They can't salvage this whether someone thinks Landis was guilty or not.
So if there is a conspiracy... I would tend to think it is coming out of administrative side of cycling, which does seem to be highly influenced by politics. It doesn't seem that far of a stretch that they're driving the adgenda. The TDF organizers already consider Landis to not be the winner (before everything is settled). The cycling powers that be thing it is crazy to question a lab's proceedures. The tests were leaked prematurely to the press.
So a conspiracy from within cylcling seems as plausible as Landis cheating using such an unsophisticated and easily detected method... if we are to beleive it is so easy to hide cheating these days. 5228. alistairconnor - 10/18/2006 5:59:40 PM It's possible that, following a botched lab job and a possibly malevolent leak indicating a positive test for Landis, the authorities felt obliged to declare him guilty. Think how bad it would have looked if they'd "covered it up"!
In this scenario, Floyd is definitely a scapegoat. 5229. jexster - 10/19/2006 2:24:35 PM I love that comedian on Imus..hate Imus..love comedian
Omar Minaya Thank ju for that uninspired welcome you maricones!
I hate Tony Larussa..GO METS! Battle of the Macacans the The WS
You gotta believe! 5230. wabbit - 10/20/2006 3:57:09 PM  Justin Rose dropped his putter, put his hands on his knees and dropped his head. He paused, looked up and managed a wry smile, knowing just how close he came to shooting a 59 on Thursday. Rose missed a 14-foot birdie putt on No. 18, leaving him a stroke away from matching the PGA Tour record shared by Al Geiberger (1977), Chip Beck (1991) and David Duval (1999). The 26-year-old Englishman settled for a 12-under 60, course and tournament records, and a four-stroke lead Thursday in the Funai Classic at Disney.
Rose hit a 6-iron from 190 yards on the 433-yard 18th. The ball bounced 6 inches from the hole, rolled past and stopped near the fringe. Rose tipped his hat several times as he walked toward the green and couldn't stop smiling. He lined up the putt from both sides, took two practice swings, then pulled it just left. After his initial reaction, he tapped in for his best round ever on the PGA Tour, three shots better than his previous low set in the 2002 Deutsche Bank Championship and matched in the 2004 Canadian Open.
Richard Johnson was alone in second place, four shots back. Tag Ridings, Steve Flesch, Bob Tway, Charles Howell III and J.J. Henry were five strokes behind Rose.
Howell's 65 may have been the most impressive considering he played the much tougher Magnolia Course. The others, including Rose and Johnson, played the Palm Course -- the easiest course on tour last year by nearly a full stroke. Howell will play the Palm in the second round Friday, while Rose and the rest of the leaders move to the Mag, which played about a stroke and a half tougher than the Palm on Thursday.
5231. wabbit - 10/20/2006 3:57:49 PM  The first long drive to left field wound up in the webbing of Endy Chavez's glove as he crashed against the wall. The second one sailed clear over his head. And that's what sent Yadier Molina and the St. Louis Cardinals to the World Series. Molina's tiebreaking homer in the ninth inning and another Game 7 gem by Jeff Suppan helped St. Louis overcome Chavez's astounding grab, giving the Cardinals a 3-1 victory over the New York Mets on a rainy Thursday night for the NL championship.
Adam Wainwright wriggled out of a bases-loaded jam in the bottom of the ninth, striking out St. Louis nemesis Carlos Beltran to end it and leaving a stunned crowd in deflated silence just moments after it had Shea Stadium shaking.
With that, the Cardinals earned their second pennant in three years and a date with the Detroit Tigers on Saturday night in Game 1 of the World Series.
Sorry, Jexster. Maybe next year...
5232. wonkers2 - 10/21/2006 6:19:10 PM I wonder what the Vegas odds are. Probably the Tigers are favored a bit? 5233. wonkers2 - 10/21/2006 6:23:04 PM BoDog says Tigers 2 to 1 for the World Series. 5234. jexster - 10/22/2006 2:52:58 AM You just Pu-jol'ed
Too big for yer britches Deetroit
4-1 5235. wabbit - 10/23/2006 1:57:56 AM  Robert Cheruiyot held off fellow Kenyan Daniel Njenga to win the Chicago Marathon on Sunday, taken from the course in a wheelchair after slipping and banging his head near the finish line. Cheruiyot, winner of this year's Boston Marathon, stayed down for several minutes after hitting his head. He was placed in a golf cart and headed to a hospital for a precautionary exam. Race officials said he was not seriously injured. Although Cheruiyot slipped before the tape, he did cross the finish line. It was a painful ending to a race in which he sprinted away from Njenga in the final stretch and finished in 2 hours, 7 minutes, 35 seconds. Jimmy Muindi of Kenya was third (2:07:51), and Abdi Abdirahman, a U.S. citizen born in Somalia, finished fourth in 2:08:56.
Ethiopia's Berhane Adere won the women's race in 2:20:42 for her first marathon victory, followed by Russia's Galina Bogomolova (2:20:47), Australia's Benita Johnson (2:22:36) and Mexico's Madai Perez Carrillo (2:22:59). Romania's Constantina Tomescu-Dita (2:24:25) dropped to fifth after leading the first 21 miles.
5236. wabbit - 10/23/2006 1:58:07 AM  Joe Durant didn't forget how to win on the PGA Tour. Durant shot a bogey-free 7-under 65 in the final round of the Funai Classic at Disney on Sunday, finished 25 under and picked up his first tour victory since March 2001. He beat Troy Matteson (70) and Frank Lickliter II (62) by four strokes. First- and second-round leader Justin Rose (69) was fourth. The 42-year-old Durant played mistake-free golf down the stretch for his fourth career victory. He started the day one shot behind leader Matteson and dropped another stroke back after the first hole on the Magnolia Course. But Durant made up ground with smart decisions, a steady short game and several clutch putts. He made a 13-footer from the fringe on the par-3 third and followed with a tap-in birdie on the par-5 fourth. He took the lead for good on the par-5 10th, getting up and down for birdie from the sand. He sealed his long-awaited victory with three birdies — and several astute moves — over the next six holes.
South Korea's Hee-Won Han won her sixth career LPGA Tour title Sunday, closing with a 5-under 67 in hot conditions for a five-stroke victory over Diana D'Alessio in the inaugural Honda LPGA Thailand. Han, two strokes behind Nicole Castrale entering play Sunday, had eight birdies and three bogeys in the final round. She finished with a 14-under 202 total on the Amata Spring Country Club course and earned $195,000 for her second win of the year. D'Alessio finished with a 70.
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