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5248. wabbit - 10/23/2006 5:50:35 PM Back in the day, there were all kinds of things - the spitball was called that for a reason, although vaseline and hair grease were also popular. Then there were the nail files and bits of sandpaper. I read not too long ago that there are pitchers suspected of cutting the ball, not with their fingernails, but with something embedded in their glove. I'm sure there are other things. 5249. wonkers2 - 10/24/2006 1:20:24 PM Mitch Albom--NL Rules, AL Rules, It's All So Stupid! 5250. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/24/2006 4:35:06 PM I'm sure there are other things. Like pine tar. 5251. wabbit - 10/24/2006 5:33:48 PM Oh yes, pine tar!
SI.com's Jon Heyman talked to a bullpen coach about Kenny Rogers, foreign substances and what likely went on Sunday night in Rogers' 3-1 Game 2 World Series victory. For the record, Rogers' story is that the noticeable mark on the palm of his left hand that was picked up by Fox was a "clump of dirt," and Major League Baseball isn't pursuing the matter further. But here's what one bullpen coach said about it:
"It was pine tar. It couldn't be anything else. Pitchers use pine tar, shaving cream and suntan lotion. Pitchers use them to help them grip the ball and make the ball move more. Bullpen guys sometimes keep suntan lotion in the ball bags. It's not for a tan. Pine tar works the best. It's been around the longest. But lately, more and more guys are using shaving cream and suntan lotion. There's no chance to be caught with shaving cream or suntan lotion..." 5252. wonkers2 - 10/24/2006 5:35:57 PM I just heard on the radio that research into TV footage of other games earlier this year revealed similar-looking spots on Rogers's hand. The implication, of course, being that he intentionally used an illegal substance on the ball in the first inning with the Cards and that that wasn't the first time he's done it. 5253. wabbit - 10/24/2006 6:50:45 PM If that SI article is even close to accurate, and I can't see why it wouldn't be, then pine tar, having cream and suntan lotion might be considered the steroids of the bullpen. And you'd think that a bullpen coach would have taught Rogers how to properly hide the use of pine tar by now. 5254. wonkers2 - 10/24/2006 9:30:53 PM Maybe some dirt stuck to the pine tar! 5255. jexster - 10/25/2006 5:08:41 AM Sorry ass Macaca Team
Wonk..Has Grizzly Granholm been seen lately? From the looks of things, she's managing the Tigers 5256. wonkers2 - 10/25/2006 9:35:39 PM Granholm is surging ahead. DeVos is fading fast. 5257. jexster - 10/26/2006 12:24:08 AM Then maybe she should disappear and manage that bunch of mariconpendejos 5258. jexster - 10/26/2006 9:34:25 PM Way2go Wonk
The Tiggers didn't lose last night 5259. wonkers2 - 10/26/2006 10:30:07 PM The Tigers will roar tonight! 5260. jexster - 10/27/2006 1:27:41 AM 
5261. alistairconnor - 10/27/2006 10:03:38 AM 11 November. Lyon. Rugby. France/New Zealand.
I've got tickets. (ok, my girlfriend has. I'd better be nice to her for the next couple of weeks.)
I have followed them since I was four, I have watched most of their matches on TV, I have torn down fences and locked shields with riot police trying to prevent them from playing.
But oddly enough, I've never been to a match before...
On current form, this match prefigures the final of next year's World Cup. Which happens to be in France. 5262. wabbit - 10/27/2006 6:24:49 PM  Helped by a soggy field, St. Louis' scrappy shortstop David Eckstein delivered two key doubles that gave the Cardinals a firm grip on a World Series that's quickly slipping away from Detroit. Eckstein's tiebreaking double to left field glanced off the glove of a diving Craig Monroe in the eighth inning, and the Cardinals capitalized on Detroit's sloppy defense for a 5-4 victory Thursday night in Game 4. Jeff Weaver can wrap it up Friday night at Busch Stadium when he pitches against rookie Justin Verlander. Each lost his first Series start.
One word of caution, Cardinals rooters: St. Louis had a 3-1 lead in '68, too, before Detroit rallied to win behind lefty Mickey Lolich. The decisive hit that time came when Flood, a Gold Glove center fielder, slipped on Jim Northrup's two-out, two-run triple off Cardinals ace Bob Gibson to break a scoreless tie in the seventh inning of Game 7 -- right across the street, where the old Busch Stadium stood.
5263. jexster - 10/27/2006 7:31:51 PM Pray for rain Wonk 5264. jexster - 10/28/2006 5:31:17 PM Shoulda prayed for rain 5265. wonkers2 - 10/28/2006 5:38:10 PM The Tigers'll be back in the World Series next year. So, watch out. 5266. jexster - 10/28/2006 6:47:28 PM After their pitchers take fielding practice 5267. wabbit - 10/30/2006 2:30:41 AM  Until Oregon State's fans descended onto the field in droves, the third-ranked USC Trojans believed they were headed for another victory. Southern California couldn't find a way to win this close game. USC (6-1, 4-1) had also won 18 straight road games. But the mighty Trojans had shown cracks in their last three games, each a victory by seven points or less. Oregon State capitalized on four turnovers to upset the Trojans 33-31 on Saturday, snapping USC's 27-game Pac-10 winning streak and breaking the national championship race wide open.
Dantrell Savage ran for 117 yards and two touchdowns, and Nathan Peterson returned a fumble for another score to lead Oklahoma State to a 41-29 upset of No. 20 Nebraska on Saturday. Savage scored his second touchdown on a 20-yard run on the second play of the fourth quarter, capping the Cowboys' comeback from an early 16-0 deficit. It's the just fourth win for Oklahoma State in 41 games against Nebraska but the second straight for the Cowboys in Stillwater.
Every four years for the past 12, Texas had left Lubbock a loser. It looked like that trend might continue Saturday night when Texas Tech jumped out to a three-touchdown lead in the first half. But the No. 5 Longhorns overcame four turnovers and erased the big deficit to beat the Red Raiders 35-31.
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