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9129. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 8/18/2008 5:09:44 AM 
9130. alistairconnor - 8/18/2008 11:06:51 AM Musharraf to resign, flee Pakistan
Wow. On the surface, it's a triumph of democracy and republican institutions. In practice, can they hold it together? 9131. jexster - 8/18/2008 6:32:48 PM This is unprecedented. This is historic. This is a momentous time in the history of this nation. It has successfully forced accountability - through peaceful and legal means - on its leaders. The people of Pakistan - lawyers and all - have exercised their agency.
And like every other such exercise - be it the election of 2000 or the upcoming election of 2008 in the US - the outcome is up in the air. And hence, the hope is not in the fate of this particular dictator, it is in the accountability to the Pakistani publics, of their representative. If we really want a secure ally in Pakistan, we would do our best to strengthen the people of Pakistan.
PS. If you are curious about Musharraf's speech, I live-blogged it. Well, most of it.
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Manan Ahmed 9132. marjoribanks - 8/19/2008 12:23:58 PM This is unprecedented. This is historic. This is a momentous time in the history of this nation. It has successfully forced accountability - through peaceful and legal means - on its leaders. The people of Pakistan - lawyers and all - have exercised their agency.
Half-true at best.
Pakistan's civil society definitely demonstrated a powerful resilience in the last couple of years, partly due to the unleashing of the media etc by Musharraf. The backbone shown by the lawyers and judiciary, in addition, was really impressive and is enough reason to become cautiously optimistic about Pakistan's prospects in the medium term.
But the missing fact here is that this exit for Musharraf has been engineered by two thugs of the lowest order, and the future of Pakistani politics rests in the hands of possibly the two worst, most venal men in the whole country.
Both of them are unelected, just like Musharraf, which is a final irony. The whole "triumph of democracy" line is total bullshit. Pakistan has lost a benign, largely competent dictator, and reverted to a kleptocracy controlled by the two biggest goons of all. 9133. marjoribanks - 8/19/2008 1:18:18 PM Ahmed Rashid on Pakistan.
The resignation of President Pervez Musharraf yesterday after nine years in office is a major victory for Pakistan's long-battered and still fragile democratic forces. But particularly given the meltdown the country has endured in recent weeks, there are still many obstacles to effective civilian governance. Although the United States will expect things to change in a hurry, they are unlikely to do so right away.
Three of Pakistan's past four military rulers have been driven from power by popular movements, but the politicians who followed the military all failed to take advantage of the people's desire for democracy and economic development and were eventually forced out by the military on charges of corruption and incompetence.
The most pressing issues today involve the long-standing tension of Pakistan's politics and the relationship between the civilian government and the military. The government is led by the Pakistan People's Party, now run by Asif Ali Zardari, the widower of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto, but his party governs through a complex coalition of parties.
The PPP's main antagonist is former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, head of the Pakistan Muslim League-N, who never misses an opportunity to try to pull down the PPP, his longtime rival, rather than working with it to consolidate the few democratic gains the country has made.
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Overthrown by Musharraf in a 1999 coup and humiliated by the army, Sharif rejects concessions to the army and offers no support to the war against Taliban extremists. Busy pandering to his right-wing supporters, he has little time for American demands.
Sharif believes that his popularity and the parliamentary seats he controls in the majority province of Punjab will eventually regain him the prime ministership.
In the next few days, internal coalition battles will continue as key questions arise, including where Musharraf should live, whether impeachment should proceed, how the senior judges Musharraf dismissed last November should be restored to their offices and who should become president.
Sharif is taking a hard line, while Zardari wants to move slowly and not confront the army by further humiliating Musharraf, a former army chief.
These power struggles within the coalition are magnified by the enormous mistrust that exists between the army and both parties. The army's mistrust of the PPP has a nearly 40-year history, and the military dislikes Sharif.
Etc. Rashid is far more harsh that I was, above, on Musharraf. No doubt he is right.
9134. marjoribanks - 8/19/2008 1:29:19 PM This brief article by a member of the Bhutto clan gets to the main points with more style:
The one thing that is absolute when dealing with the dregs that run my country is this: nothing is ever as it seems. Nowhere is that more true than in the current scenario involving President Musharraf's likely impeachment by the ruling coalition.
"It has become imperative to move for impeachment," barked Benazir Bhutto's widower, Asif Zardari, at a press conference in Islamabad last week. Sitting beside the new head of the Pakistan People's party was Nawaz Sharif, twice formerly prime minister of Pakistan. Zardari snarled every time Musharraf's name came up, seething with political rage and righteousness, while Sharif did his best to keep up with the pace of things. He nodded sombrely and harrumphed every once in a while. The two men are acting for democracy, you see. And impeaching dictators is a good thing for democracies, you know.
But Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari are unelected. They're not just unrepresentative in that they don't hold seats in the parliament - they have absolutely no mandate in Pakistan. They head the two largest, and most corrupt, parties in the state but hold no public office. Pots and kettles. 9135. wonkers2 - 8/19/2008 11:38:43 PM Good government is a scarce commodity. 9136. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 8/20/2008 12:00:16 AM There's the rub: democracy vs. "kleptocracy"
In a a genuine democracy the cream can rise to the top, but in our new world order, the kleptocrats like Bush, Cheney, et al--shit floats! 9137. wonkers2 - 8/20/2008 12:57:43 AM HA! Very true. 9138. jexster - 8/20/2008 3:15:14 AM 9132
The ugly face of Hindu exceptionalism 9139. jexster - 8/20/2008 3:17:25 AM Oh those Bhutto's....money grubbing cricket playing plutocrats 9140. jexster - 8/23/2008 6:43:25 PM Afghanistan: US Airstrikes Kill 50 Children
How many airstrikes before these numbnuts realize that bombing is a hallmark of defeat in counterinsurgency 9141. jexster - 8/24/2008 9:01:12 AM Marji nails it
Nothin but net
Pakistain Ruling Coalition on Verge of Collapse
Guess Musharaff will have to step in and restore order or some other member of the General Staff eh? 9142. robertjayb - 9/9/2008 7:00:35 PM Is Il ill?
WASHINGTON — (AP) - Intelligence officials are watching signs that North Korea's unpredictable dictator Kim Jong Il may be gravely ill.
Incapacity of the man North Koreans call the "Dear Leader" would have serious implications for the international effort to get North Korea to abandon nuclear weapons.
There was no sign of Kim at a parade and celebration today marking the 60th anniversary of North Korea's founding, and the country's state media was silent about his absence. His last reported public appearance was in mid-August.
9143. concerned - 9/9/2008 11:06:14 PM Looks like another Bush foreign policy success in the offing with NK. 9144. concerned - 9/9/2008 11:08:46 PM Green activists 'are keeping Africa poor'
Hey, they’re just ‘respecting African traditions’, aren’t they? Can’t have dirty capitalists actually making money by exploiting Africa's farmlands, now.
9145. concerned - 9/10/2008 6:04:17 AM Well, in a multipolar world, international institutions are useful to everybody. The Bush (rather, Rumsfeld) doctrine of deliberately breaking them, on the grounds that US interests are better served by direct bilateral relations, and build-em-up and knock-em-down ad-hoc coalitions, is a historical aberration.
You have it backwards. It was Bush who insisted on multilateral negotiations with NK, and Bush also who was careful to follow UN mandates regarding Iraq, as unpopular as admitting that is on the Left.
Clowntoon was much more unilateral than Bush, most particularly in his actions regarding Kosovo where he completely shut the UN out of the decision making process.
So much for your bigotry and ignorance. 9146. alistairconnor - 9/10/2008 5:13:11 PM Looks like another Bush foreign policy success in the offing with NK.
You mean, you think he was poisoned by the CIA?
Sounds like a foreign policy plan to me. 9147. anomie - 9/10/2008 5:59:18 PM I'm quite sure Kosovo was a NATO effort, and I'm not sure the UN was completely shut out either. Your comments are a good example of Republican revision of history, not to mention speaking out of both sides of your mouth - ridiculing the UN while holding hands with it. 9148. jexster - 9/11/2008 3:45:51 PM Pakistan premier backs army chief's rebuke to US
Pakistan's prime minister on Thursday backed a harsh rebuke of the U.S. by the Muslim nation's military chief, a sign of a strain in relations seven years after the Sept. 11 attacks forged the two countries' anti-terror alliance.
Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, the powerful but media-shy army leader, said nearly a week after a deadly American-led ground assault in Pakistani territory that Pakistan would defend its sovereignty and that there was no deal to allow foreign forces to operate inside its borders.
He said unilateral actions risked undermining joint efforts to battle Islamic extremism.
"Reckless actions" which kill civilians "only help the militants and further fuel the militancy in the area," he said.
"The sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country will be defended at all cost and no external force is allowed to conduct operations inside Pakistan," he said in the Wednesday statement.
Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, in comments reported Thursday by state media and confirmed by his office, said Kayani's words reflected government opinion and policy.
The ground assault last week, and a barrage of suspected U.S. missile strikes in Pakistan in recent days, suggest growing American impatience with Pakistan's progress in eradicating militant safe havens in its semiautonomous tribal regions bordering Afghanistan.
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