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10294. Wombat - 5/23/2012 9:08:30 PM Argh... 10295. judithathome - 6/1/2012 9:28:31 PM Read this on another forum:
"Zimmerman's bail has been revoked -- he had undeclared money and a passport that he forgot to mention he picked up two weeks after the shooting. Guess they finally got around to listening to his taped jail conversations with his wife in which they spoke in code about moving money around and the passport in the safe deposit box."
Story Here
The Zimmermans claimed they were broke, but they actually had collected about $135,000 in a PayPal account they set up to solicit contributions. Before it was closed, they collected $200,000, his attorney later revealed.
I'm astonished that many people contributed that much money to this guy.... 10296. vonKreedon - 6/1/2012 10:10:59 PM Why? The evidence as it's dribbled out is quite a different story than the initial rush to judgement told. Zimmerman was obviously in a fight with Martin, a fight that from the physical evidence Zimmerman was losing badly. The evidence as I understand it now says to me that Martin confronted Zimmerman and for unknown reasons attacked him, knocked him to the ground, sat on top of Zimmerman and knocked his head against the ground before Zimmerman shot him.
So, I can see people legitimately giving money for Zimmerman's defense, believing that he was being railroaded. I disagree with the railroaded part of the equation, I continue to believe that the initial refusal of the local DA to investigate was just wrong, but I understand the impulse to resist railroading. 10297. judithathome - 6/1/2012 11:16:58 PM Well, I have seen nothing that convinces me that the man is innocent. He could have defended himself without killing the kid, period.
Not to mention he had no business following him with a gun in the first place.
So you're saying the fact he lied to the judge and claimed to be destitute has no bearing on how you view his story?
Usually when a person lies to a judge it, at the very least, calls into question how truthful he is about other aspects of his story.
It does for me, anyhow. 10298. arkymalarky - 6/1/2012 11:21:25 PM Your assessment of the evidence is way different from mine. He was on the phone following Martin after being told not to. He shot and killed an unarmed teen whom he was pursuing without reason. Nothing would have happened had Zimmerman not acted improperly with an unarmed stranger. Whether people can justify helping his defense, people waste their money on all kinds of crap. But there's zero indication he needed monetary help with his defense. 10299. concerned - 6/1/2012 11:22:03 PM Not to mention he had no business following him with a gun in the first place.
Just curious, JAH -
If you were George Zimmerman, what would you have done with the gun?
And if Martin was on top of you beating you to a bloody pulp, please explain to us what you would have done to defend yourself. Nothing? I don't think so.
10300. arkymalarky - 6/1/2012 11:22:06 PM That was to vk 10301. arkymalarky - 6/1/2012 11:25:13 PM You must be kidding. If any of us were Zimmerman we wouldn't have done what he did from start to finish. What would you have done had you been Martin? Would Martin have been guilty had he killed Zimmerman? We're someone stalking my teen son with a gun I'd hope my son got the best of him whatever it took. 10302. judithathome - 6/1/2012 11:25:51 PM Con'd, what I would have done is what the 911 operator suggested I do...leave the kid alone.
That would have avoided the entire episode...he wouldn't have (allegedly) beaten me to a bloody pulp because I wouldn't have been following him with a concealed weapon in my possession. 10303. arkymalarky - 6/1/2012 11:25:55 PM We're someone stalking... 10304. arkymalarky - 6/1/2012 11:27:36 PM Dammit I HATE autocorrect!!
WERE 10305. concerned - 6/1/2012 11:29:58 PM So, let me get this straight - you're saying by the time Martin attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman had legally forfeited his right to self defense because he 'stalked' Martin longer than some specified length of time?
Is that what you're saying? 10306. arkymalarky - 6/1/2012 11:44:17 PM In a word? Yes!
You try to come at my home or my person as a dangerous aggressor with a loaded gun and in the course of defending myself I have the advantage I will do what it takes to remove the threat. By your actions you forfeited legal protection for "self-defense."
Do you mean to tell me you're one of those weak kneed liberals who thinks a burglar should be able to sue the homeowner for tripping over his carpet and breaking his nose? 10307. concerned - 6/1/2012 11:59:37 PM You sound close to supporting 'stand your groundism' in the case you propose for the homeowner, arky. 10308. vonKreedon - 6/2/2012 12:04:03 AM I agree that Zimmerman behaved badly up until the point that Martin apparently attacked him. Zimmerman should have stayed in his truck. If not, he should have approached Martin non-confrontationally, identified himself as the block watch captain and asked where he lived (I actually don't know if he did this or not, but there's no evidence that he did). But when Martin attacked him, assuming this based on the injuries to Zimmerman's face and head and to Martin's knuckles, at that point the responsibility becomes Martin's. Martin had time to walk to the apartment, but he did not, he turned back and apparently confronted Zimmerman and then started to beat him.
My beef is less and less with Zimmerman, but remains with the DA's initial refusal to investigate. 10309. vonKreedon - 6/2/2012 12:04:43 AM Ark - There's no evidence that Zimmerman displayed the gun prior to firing it in self-defense. 10310. concerned - 6/2/2012 12:20:31 AM We're someone stalking my teen son with a gun I'd hope my son got the best of him whatever it took.
I'm a believer in the saying: "Discretion is the better part of valor." here. 10311. arkymalarky - 6/2/2012 1:16:58 AM That doesn't matter, Vk. In fact, IMO that makes it way worse. Had he not wanted to kill the kid, displaying it would at least give the kid options with knowledge of what he was facing.
It's my opinion that people have an inherent right to be left alone. Zimmerman violated that most basic human right all violent criminals violate.
10312. arkymalarky - 6/2/2012 1:22:15 AM And Con'd, I'm not opposed to the principal of stand your ground ( castle rule wrt your home), but like most such laws it's impractically written and enforced. The female counterpart to Zimmerman in FL, for instance, sits in jail, tho evidence suggests she was in real danger of death had she not acted. 10313. arkymalarky - 6/2/2012 1:28:18 AM Zimmerman used his personal PayPal account to collect $200000 in donations then lied to the judge about it. His account(s) of what happened have no credence. Since the DA blew it wrt other evidence, Zimmerman
is in deep doodoo now, IMO, no matter how closely his story matches truth (which I still don't think it does, based on the tapes, discrepancies, etc).
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