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11132. judithathome - 7/14/2013 11:24:36 PM "but something happened that triggered a series of events."
Yes...Zimmerman got out of his truck after he was told not to...and followed Martin after he was told not to. None of this would have happened if he done what he was told...they told him that FOR A REASON. 11133. anomie - 7/14/2013 11:44:34 PM And then...? 11134. judithathome - 7/15/2013 12:37:11 AM Well, we only seem to have one person left alive to explain it...and the jury believed that was enough. Not strange at all that he was also the one with the gun.
I'm wondering if the 911 people suspected he had that gun...after all, they'd spoken with him 46 times in the past and maybe that's why they told him to stay in his truck. 11135. anomie - 7/15/2013 12:49:39 AM I think what happened next was self-defense, but I have absolutely no proof of that. The state has no proof otherwise, and the burden is theirs. Do you wantto revise that concept? Many tragic aspects to this case. The loss of life being the greatest. In the end we are all better off that the presumption of innocence prevailed. 11136. anomie - 7/15/2013 12:51:05 AM I think police in some states should assume everyone is packing. Arizona, Nevada, Texas... Maybe every state come to think. 11137. robertjayb - 7/15/2013 12:59:46 AM Arky writes: "That kid's death deserved a hearing."
Yes. Absolutely. And it should have happened promptly in a grand jury hearing for Zimmerman even though as the much-maligned local officers believed, under law, there was no crime. The locals blew the sensitivity/public relations part of their duty.
The delay allowed genuinely aggrieved members of the "community," as well as race-baiters far and wide and hand-wringing media blowhards to raise such a clamor that a state attorney moved in. Being no more political than LBJ or Richard Daley, she caused Zimmerman to be charged and then supervised his prosecution. Neat.
But the law and six courageous women stood between her and a legal brass ring. 11138. anomie - 7/15/2013 1:07:10 AM Yes, and I wanted to puke when she and another of the prosecuters talked about "God" and "prayer"... Cheap pandering. Must be an elected office. 11139. anomie - 7/15/2013 1:08:22 AM I was wondering if Florida had a grand jury system. Apparently it's not mandatory. 11140. judithathome - 7/15/2013 3:48:54 AM "Do you wantto revise that concept?"
What I want is to revise the cockamamie gun laws...I would like if ALL the concealed carry laws were overturned. 11141. anomie - 7/15/2013 4:11:21 AM No argument there, Judith. I'd vote to amend or repeal the second amendment. It's out of date and unreasonable at this point in history. As it is, it just subsidizes the gun industry at the cost of all the misery created by gun nuts. 11142. Ms. No - 7/15/2013 7:09:09 AM Florida Mom Gets 20 Years for Firing Warning Shots
And once again I'll remind anyone who wakes up tomorrow not as a poor black woman to thank the creator for it. 11143. iiibbb - 7/15/2013 3:47:13 PM The problem that example is that Florida law is explicit about warning shots. There is no room there.
It's like open carry in Florida which is explicitly not allowed... so if you "print" while concealed carrying you can potentially get into a bit of trouble.
The self-defense law, on the other hand, is entirely vague. All you need is a "reason to believe" that you are in danger...
It is completely out of whack because they are so strict up until you actually pull the trigger. 11144. iiibbb - 7/15/2013 3:47:27 PM ...and shoot someone. 11145. iiibbb - 7/15/2013 3:49:07 PM It's like gun controllers were having a lot of success on one end of the spectrum... and gun rights people were having a lot of success on the other... and it's created this body of law with weird magnetic fields. 11146. Trillium - 7/15/2013 10:39:15 PM Arky, just curious. What do they teach about "innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" in your high school's civics class?
I just caught a snippet of Holder on the news talking about how he wants to go after people's thoughts and attitudes. This sounds like Inquisition territory.. What is Holder thinking? Does he want to be part of a Thought Police?
This shreds the constitution, blatantly.
11147. arkymalarky - 7/15/2013 11:04:27 PM that it applies differently to black people and white people. 11148. anomie - 7/15/2013 11:11:46 PM True Arky, but this is not the case. We have many better examples. This case just cheapens the whole argument. 11149. arkymalarky - 7/15/2013 11:22:58 PM Are you black? If not ask someone who is whether it cheapens the argument and get back with me on what they say. Even if your opinion is based on your perception of the evidence, which despite my vehement disagreement based on my differing perception that Zimmerman's actions precipated the events leading to someone's death (manslaughter), that in no way reduces the racial significance of the entire affair, starting with whether Zimmerman would have even followed Martin were he not black. 11150. arkymalarky - 7/15/2013 11:29:07 PM I have a friend who told me one time about her son getting stopped for DWB. its just surreal how that works. and it's a damn shame that with a black president and all the progress we say we made that black parents still have to instruct their sons on how to dress and how to behave to avoid incidents like Trayvon or DWBs or other acts of violence and maltreatment that are not on the radar of even liberal white people. 11151. anomie - 7/15/2013 11:30:54 PM Arky, so therefor what? We unilateraly waive Zimmerman's right to the presumption of innocence and vacate the reasonable doubt concept? No need for a jury, or a trial even. Why not just get a rope? This case is driving people crazy!
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