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11165. anomie - 7/16/2013 2:53:24 PM He shouldn't have got out of he car. This is really the lesson we should all learn to improve race relations, prevent profiling? We should just never get out of our cars. Cause if we do and we get assaulted by a minory individual, it's all our fault and we should just lay there and get our heads beat in because we had the audacity to get out of our cars. Stay in your cars people. It's the right thing to do. 11166. iiibbb - 7/16/2013 3:01:43 PM anomie ... you are being obtuse.
He shouldn't have gotten out of the car to follow someone he thought was up to criminal activity not knowing if the assumed criminal was alone, or with a group.
period.
He may be innocent of murder, but it is dumb to do anything without backup or an egress plan.
period.
Zimmerman is a dumbass. No court is going to make him innocent of being a dumbass.
period. 11167. anomie - 7/16/2013 3:12:46 PM Good thing most of us will never go on trail for being a dumbass. No one could cast the first stone. The people saying Zimmerman should have stayed in the car want him convicted. They want him in jail. 11168. anomie - 7/16/2013 3:14:37 PM You're accusing him of dumbassism in light of people calling for decades of jail, and you think I'm the one being obtuse. It's a topsy turvy time in here. 11169. robertjayb - 7/16/2013 3:15:44 PM Tragedy become travesty becoming farce.
11170. anomie - 7/16/2013 3:29:38 PM Yes. Well put. 11171. iiibbb - 7/16/2013 4:17:23 PM In the light of Florida law... he's innocent. I won't deny.
It is indeed a good thing most of us won't go on trial for being dumb-asses; however, there are a lot of people in jail for being dumb0asses none-the-less; and a great many of those dumb-asses I would readily have Zimmerman trade places with-- I won't deny. 11172. iiibbb - 7/16/2013 4:18:20 PM But that's just me and my obviously queer standards for what it should take to legally shoot someone... 11173. iiibbb - 7/16/2013 4:21:55 PM And in principal I am all for stand your ground laws. The idea of shooting someone in self defense and having to prove one's innocence is abhorrent to me, particularly in your own home or residence. In NY we have this stupid "duty to retreat"... at least in the letter of the law...
But I also find the parsing of events in this case to be a little off. 11174. judithathome - 7/16/2013 4:39:58 PM "Lawrence ODonnell is clueless"
I posted that link in order for people here to read the Florida law as it has been amended. Why that makes someone with an opinion different than yours "clueless" is rather arrogant.
I suppose if it had been from a "newscaster" from FOX, he would be deemed brilliant. 11175. anomie - 7/16/2013 5:03:15 PM Using Fox is hitting below the belt, Judith. 11176. judithathome - 7/16/2013 5:10:48 PM Ha!
I used FOX because Zimmerman did. 11177. arkymalarky - 7/16/2013 6:17:18 PM 3i is once again right and very clear about it. Manslaughter laws are there to protect us against dumbasses and the Onion is there to point them out. I love the Onion. That piece is exactly right. 11178. arkymalarky - 7/16/2013 6:19:32 PM Sorry, Anomie, but if you want to find agreement with your line of reasoning on this issue Fox is the only place to go. 11179. anomie - 7/16/2013 6:53:00 PM Oh I don't know, seems like the jury room would be a resonable place for me. I don't need validation from the Fox news nutbags - a stopped clock is right twice a day. But it just goes to show how this is a bad case to hitch your civil rights wagon to. 11180. iiibbb - 7/16/2013 7:04:53 PM And a bad example for gun rights as well. I am not pleased that this is the picture 95% of the population has in the head when they think of someone with a concealed carry permit.
Zimmerman is a putz who's made my life a little more difficult because he is a buffoon. 11181. Trillium - 7/16/2013 8:26:12 PM So call me arrogant and even disgusted, Judith, that a person with O'Donnell's power and platform would choose to disregard an assault and head injury as though it were nothing. Newscasters have the power to educate and sway public opinion. o'Donnell is unworthy of his power and position by leaving out the main point that resulted in a young man's death. 11182. judithathome - 7/16/2013 9:24:24 PM I said in a later post that I made that link because he showed the way the two laws read before and after Stand Your Ground...I wasn't endorsing O'Donnell's point of view or asking anyone to do so.
I just don't happen to agree with you that he is clueless...that's all. Just because he doesn't agree with your opinion, that doesn't make him clueless. I guess it does in your opinion but that doesn't necessarily jibe with the reality of the situation...he has a different attitude about the trial...so what? That doesn't make him stupid, it just makes him opinionated, like everyone else.
And trust me, he has in the past schooled the public, most recently in the case of the IRS "scandal"...he pointed out the way the actual law read, something the senators chairing the hearing evidently had not noticed. After his show on the actual law, he was even quoted by one Senator hearing the evidence who later thanked O'Donnell for pointing out the wording of the law.
So I will take and appreciate his cluelessness any day... 11183. anomie - 7/16/2013 10:57:32 PM ib3, how has Zimmerman made your life more difficult? 11184. anomie - 7/16/2013 11:04:44 PM Arky, I give you credit for leaving open the possiblility that Martin attacked Zimmerman. Such possibility is not passing the lips of the commentators I see on CNN and MSNBC. Instead we get the clueless comments about how he was shot for no reason, etc...as Trillium pointed out. Or they say something like, "...and then a situation occurred. That Martin may have attacked and beat Zimmerman is the elephant in the room everyone wants to ignore, and it's why this is a bad test case.
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