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11289. judithathome - 9/19/2013 7:29:22 PM Clearly, the Republicans are on a kamikaze mission to lose votes...voting to drastically cut food stamps today...and you just know it's going to pass because, gee, we have to save money somewhere and why NOT take food out of the mouths of children...they can't vote.
11290. Jenerator - 9/24/2013 7:37:43 PM I thought the reason was see so many mentally ill walking around was because of something Reagan did....shutting off funds to mental institutions or something like that..."
No. It's because being mentally ill isn't a crime. You have to be a danger to yourself or others before steps can be taken, and obviously there are good and bad aspects to this. 11291. judithathome - 9/24/2013 8:45:23 PM Jen, perhaps I am wrong but I distinctly recall Reagan doing "something" that caused a lot of problems for the mentally ill.
Of course, that was his right as President; he's in charge and what he says goes...whch seems to be perfectly fine for Presidents that have an "R" after their names but seems to be a crime for one with a "D"... 11292. arkymalarky - 9/24/2013 10:29:38 PM no, Judith is right. Reagan shut down the state mental hospitals, and so poor people and people with health insurance that did not cover mental health have been SOL ever since. Most insurance policies cover mental health inadequately or not at all. 11293. arkymalarky - 9/24/2013 10:31:00 PM mental health care in this country is in general a disgrace. People with diabetes aren't criminals either, but they get hospitalized when they need it. 11294. Jenerator - 9/25/2013 6:55:21 PM It is not criminal to be insane. 11295. Jenerator - 9/25/2013 6:59:59 PM I think we are taking past each other. I agree that we need mental health reform, and that not enough is being done about people who have serious needs.
That said, we can't force people to be institutionalized unless there is a danger present. We can't make people take their medicine. And it's not a crime to be crazy.
11296. arkymalarky - 9/25/2013 10:13:11 PM Who said it was? we're talking past each other because I'm busy trying to step over and around your strawman. when people need help, being institutionalized or medicated or whatever else they need, under the system as it's been they don't get it. And mental illness has a different regulatory process then diabetes because people by definition are not able in cases of extreme mental illness to make decisions for themselves. 11297. iiibbb - 9/28/2013 12:22:19 PM I was under the impression that I didn't live in a country of retards. My mistake. 11298. thoughtful - 9/28/2013 4:36:36 PM It is a difficult situation...people with psychological issues may not be criminal, but when off their meds, they can do criminal things. On their meds, they tend to exhibit less criminal behavior, but taking meds can be so expensive and with such bad side effects that they often stop. So what do you do? Do you wait until they behave criminally and victimize someone or do you try to fix it preemptively?
No less difficult than saying it's not criminal to be old, but older people cause a lot of accidents and injuries when they drive due to infirmities and drugs. But do you take their license away in advance? Or do you wait until they kill someone?
In either case the individual may not be the best judge of what is best for themselves and others. The system is very broken, doesn't deal well with it, and people suffer as a result.
11299. Trillium - 9/28/2013 7:57:59 PM There are several problems with mental illness.
One is politically correct denial. In local discussions of homelessness, it has been common for one partisan group to insist that mentally ill people are harmless. That isn't necessarily true, and varies from situation to situation. I wish partisans would stop trying to shut down honest discussions.
Two is ignorance of the different forms of mental illness. Here's a link to a free Coursera offering about Alzheimer's. I applaud this Coursera option and hope we see more of these to cover different physical issues, including problems like Diabetes, Nutrition etc.: Free Johns Hopkins Coursera on Alzheimer's
Alzheimer's is only one disorder; there are many others that the public needs broader education about. Bipolar disorder has its own characteristics. Schizophrenia has others, then there are a multitude of different forms of Ddpression.
Marcia Lawrence was (is?) a suburban NY high school English teacher who wrote a very interesting autobiographical perspective on dementia brought on by menopause and estrogen deprivation. Lawrence had a good support network and enough education to recognize that something out of the ordinary was occurring to her. Marcia Lawrence: Menopause and Madness
The local community college is focusing on suicide prevention, and trying to educate students about depression.
There is also a community college online course about Life Cycle Psychology that would make a great Coursera... Lifespan/Life Cycle Psychology is a nursing school prerequisite, and several nurses have told me that they wish they had taken this class BEFORE having children because it would have helped them to be better parents. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed this class, and thought about different aspects of it. I wish my kids had time to take it.
The class and textbook are prohibitively expensive for the people who need it most, though. Hey Bill Gates! Help out with setting up a Coursera?
11300. judithathome - 10/1/2013 8:49:41 AM Well, thanks to the Republicans...say goodbye to the Panda Cam at the National Zoo. 11301. psychprof - 10/1/2013 5:53:22 PM Trillium…I totally agree. Womb to Tomb Life Span Development is strikingly insightful…I taught this course as often as I could fit it in my schedule.
iii…do you assume that “retard”( what an ignorant appellation) equals mental illness? Or have I misrepresented what you think…all I have are the words in your last post.
11302. thoughtful - 10/1/2013 8:33:45 PM I wish they would just shut down the national weather service so it would force airlines to stop flying...then congress would fix it...it certainly worked when the air traffic controller cutbacks caused flight delays...heaven forbid congresspeople not be able to get home for their long weekends...the rest of us can go pound sand.
When we start defaulting on our debt and our debt rating falls and interest rates thus the deficit and/or taxes rise as a result, do you think the tea baggers might get it then???
11303. arkymalarky - 10/1/2013 10:46:30 PM Mose is a librarian, and she's very upset about the LOC being closed due to the government shutdown. 11304. iiibbb - 10/1/2013 10:47:32 PM psychprof
I mean it in the derogatory sense and not aimed at people with actual mental disabilities.
But instead at those who lack the capacity to critically analyze, or worse, wallow in deliberate ignorance.
I spoke it fully aware of the connotations it holds, and wish it to be fully re-branded to apply to these hypocrites and morons that have elected the current GOP (e.g. "stopping Obmamacare is more important than keeping government open because closing government is the lesser of two evils"; "we can't afford these programs, when we can't afford something at home, we don't buy it" -- as if they are apples and apples.... and where were this responsible party when we had the tax surplus? "government should not be in the business of making a profit so we need tax cuts"... instead of paying down the debt.
I am angry about it... and so I used that word. Sorry if it offends.
re·tard
[ri-tahrd, for 1–3, 5; ree-tahrd for 4]
verb (used with object)
1.
to make slow; delay the development or progress of (an action, process, etc.); hinder or impede.
seems to apply to Republicans right now. 11305. arkymalarky - 10/1/2013 10:49:09 PM You are so right, Thoughtful. This madness will only stop when these people actually feel the effects of what they do. 11306. robertjayb - 10/2/2013 2:11:40 AM "wallow in deliberate ignorance."
Thanks for the phrase, psychprof. I will enjoy using it.
11307. thoughtful - 10/2/2013 4:05:59 PM Love that expression, isbs...it so perfectly captures it...
wallow in deliberate ignorance 11308. psychprof - 10/2/2013 6:42:11 PM Isbs coined that fine phrase,not me.
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