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11500. arkymalarky - 12/11/2014 2:39:29 AM Now if you really need money, you know, for something important like maybe a major surgery or something like that, robbing banks really works to get that money.
I don't know why the concepts of wrong, antithetical to basic values, and not having a leg to stand on in dealing with nations that disrespect human rights, etcetera etcetera are so totally lost on Chris Matthews. Whether or not torture works is not why we shouldn't be doing it. Not to mention there's never been evidence that it works. Anything with more than a single layer of complexity is completely lost on that maroon. 11501. judithathome - 12/11/2014 8:37:54 PM I guess I'm hearing a different maroon...I think he's ridiculing Cheney and others who are claiming torture worked and are saying the Senate committee lied. 11502. Ms. No - 12/11/2014 9:52:34 PM There are lots of things that seem like they should be true and even that people want to be true, but that doesn't mean they are true. Isn't that one of the foundational elements of Cargo Cult Science? 11503. arkymalarky - 12/11/2014 9:59:19 PM it's the fact he even thinks it is a debatable issue, and he pissed me off in how he addressed guests wrt the issue, including Joan whatsherdrip of salon and one of the detainee's lawyers. 11504. arkymalarky - 12/11/2014 11:27:21 PM Walsh...I could not remember her last name. 11505. arkymalarky - 12/12/2014 3:45:33 AM Dick Cheney should never be mentioned in the news without prefacing the story with a background of his evasion of service in Vietnam. He talks awfully tough to have been such a coward. 11506. iiibbb - 12/12/2014 4:34:34 AM The effectiveness or ineffectiveness of torture matters not at all. It’s a red herring.
It doesn’t matter if you're right or wrong about the effectiveness of torture.
It doesn’t matter if your motives are patriotic and your heart is pure.
It doesn’t matter if your cause is just.
It doesn’t matter how terrible your enemy.
Listen to me, it doesn’t matter if you’re a man of God, if you molest a child, you’re a goddamned child molester.
And it comes down to this: If you engage in torture, you're a torturer.
And you live in a country that tortures people.
It’s really just that simple. 11507. robertjayb - 12/12/2014 4:37:22 AM But Arky, he explained:
"I had other priorities in the 60's than military service."
...War criminal Dick Cheney to the Washington Post in 1989. 11508. arkymalarky - 12/12/2014 5:25:50 AM yay 3i!!!!
exactly, Robert! but he never seemed to flinch at sending others. 11509. arkymalarky - 12/12/2014 5:26:30 AM of all of them, he's the most disgusting and despicable, by far. 11510. Ms. No - 12/12/2014 7:23:37 PM I'm sick and tired of all this "War on Terror" bullshit. That's like a "War on Crazy" and has about as much chance of success.
We've spent billions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives and are not any safer from the kind of attacks that really prompted us to begin this whole circus.
Just as more prisons aren't the answer to reducing crime, more invasive searches and restrictive security measures are not the answer to reducing terrorism --- but it sure gives some folks a chubby.
And I'm definitely on board with the fact that state-sanctioned brutality for any reason perpetuates a brutality of mind that is made manifest in the national psyche. 11511. arkymalarky - 12/12/2014 8:12:46 PM very well said 11512. judithathome - 12/12/2014 11:35:31 PM I think I was responding to something completely different to Chris Matthews...the link in my post upthread to John Stewart had nothing to do with Matthews and torture...at least on my screen....
11513. judithathome - 12/12/2014 11:36:44 PM Matthews is rude to everyone on his show...I agree. 11514. arkymalarky - 12/13/2014 12:49:39 AM Jon Stewart is brilliant. 11515. judithathome - 12/13/2014 7:49:51 PM Yep...even when I misspell his name! 11516. judithathome - 12/13/2014 9:47:52 PM Happy 12/13/'14!! 11517. arkymalarky - 12/13/2014 10:38:53 PM yay! 11518. ms. no - 12/14/2014 7:49:28 AM Is it still? I'm in LA for the weekend with family and have totally lost track of the time/date. 11519. judithathome - 12/16/2014 12:31:13 AM It was when I wrote it.
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