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1480. CalGal - 8/14/2001 5:03:36 AM Definitely too melodramatic. As for JJ and MsG, Arky, JJ posted that he was away because he was busy and MsG isn't posting because she is starting law school. Are you saying you doubt this explanation?
Wonkers is always gone for months at a time and then comes back. vK is rich and travels a lot now, although I'm sure he's also in the "The Mote sucks because of CalGal" club.
Myself, I've not cared much about this place since June, when the most recent whining about me started. But I don't think the slowdown is more than tangentially related to the whining--I think no more than three people I can think of have actively left because they couldn't tolerate me even with their trusty support group bucking them up. It's slow in large part because it's always slow this time of year and yes, if something doesn't click again it could be a deadly slowness. I doubt it, myself--it will probably come back. Either way, I don't care as much as I used to.
If you want to revive a forum, the way to do it is to talk about the things you want to talk about. Introduce new topics, expect it to be slow at first, and see what happens.
I also think it would be fun if we could do some group activity--a book reading, a movie festival, something to that effect.
It's also time for our anniversary; it might be fun to send out another mailing if we have anything to announce. I haven't heard from Alistair; if he hasn't done anything with the new look maybe I'll give it a shot. 1481. mgleason - 8/14/2001 6:46:23 AM Those are good suggestions. I'm up for a reading (no tea-leaves, however), and there's always the Emmy Awards, too. 1482. arkymalarky - 8/14/2001 7:20:41 AM I'm not the melodramatic type. The dropoff without the new people coming in pretty much speaks for itself. There are no significant sources from which to draw new people in here, so I don't see that changing, and you don't revive anything without energy feeding into it.
A group activity would be good if it were coupled with an anniversary mailout to bring in enough people to keep it going well.
And don't flatter yourself, Cal. One statement was made about you and I meant it for simply what it was--no more. You needn't attempt to lather it up into the fount of the entire series of posts in here. 1483. CalGal - 8/14/2001 8:37:48 AM The Emmy awards don't usually generate enough interest--but they were very good last year, much better than the Oscars (in terms of entertainment value).
As far as attracting more people for group activities, I don't think it much matters whether we do or don't. If it's something that interests the people who are here, great. If it brings in others too, fine.
Arky, I wasn't flattering myself. You made more than one reference to things you've said before in regards to me. Besides, you didn't answer my question about JJ and MsG. Are you saying you don't believe them?
We have had slow periods before; last year at this time was particularly bad. Then it picked up. So your comment that it can't be fixed is innacurate. I don't know if it will pick up again, and as I said I'm getting to the point that I don't care--not because it hasn't been busy, but because I'm tired of giving a damn about people when a group of them bitch so incessantly.
In any event, the way to address bringing people back is by doing what I said--introduce topics you are interested in, suggest group activities that others might enjoy, and go from there. 1484. arkymalarky - 8/14/2001 8:56:11 AM My comment that there is no significant source from which to draw in new people is completely accurate. Please try to understand the basic concept that we need to bring in new people from the outside--that would be people who are not already reading us and wouldn't know jack squat what we were discussing and whether or not it was of interest. In addition, a mailout to try to prick the interest of those who have quit looking in, for whatever reason, might be helpful.
I have never been a bitcher about conditions in here. In fact, I've been an enthusiastic supporter of the forum from the beginning. I have posted my perception of what I have observed in recent weeks. You are free to disagree with my assessment, but your disagreement isn't good enough to make it invalid.
And yes my dear, you were, as usual, flattering yourself. The fact that 3/4 of your post was about you and what you think others think about you is proof enough of that without my bothering to point it out.
You made more than one reference to things you've said before in regards to me.
Where?
WRT JJ and MsGreer, I made a short list of regular posters who are no longer regular. Unlike you, apparently, I do not hang onto their every post and file away their reasons for being absent, or concern myself excessively about whether they were telling the truth. Yes, JJ and MsGreer said they were busy, but the fact remains that they were very regular and they're not any longer, and every loss of a regular poster, for whatever reason, hurts a forum this small.
1485. rubberducky - 8/15/2001 1:51:33 AM what we need to do is open up registration, people.
period.
this bit about people not getting (somewhat immediate) log-ins will be the death of this place. i like theMote and all, but would i wait days at a time for a log-in for a site with no content other than a poster forum? um, no.
i've said it before, give any and everyone provisional access until the gatekeeper can do whatever review needs to be done and give a pass/fail evaluation. it's that simple. that is the only thing that will facilitate new blood.
this has nothing to do with GJ or Diva wrt their gatekeeping abilities, but we are kidding ourselves if we think theMote is soooo important that we have to hamstring ourselves just to keep pests like Jon & caz out. frankly, given my druthers, i'd rather see both here causing a stink, because at least then there is something interesting to read and participate in.
enough already. imho, they've won a battle already in that we have a net loss in membership due to our over ... vigilance in this area.
i'd appreciate a moderator response as well as what other people think. 1486. mgleason - 8/15/2001 1:59:55 AM I agree with you, RD. Let 'em in, and throw 'em out after, if need be. 1487. janjon - 8/15/2001 2:08:04 AM that makes a great deal of sense. The how-good-is-your-pedigree-in-terms-of-becoming-the-WRONG-TYPE-of-irritant mentality is one of the major flaws of this place. 1488. seadate - 8/15/2001 3:04:09 AM I miss Fielding. 1489. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 3:16:46 AM Me, too. 1490. CalGal - 8/15/2001 3:49:17 AM I agree that we should open it back up; I thought the recent problem was due to a technical problem affecting email. If that has been resolved, then we should open it up asap. 1491. arkymalarky - 8/15/2001 5:51:56 AM I totally agree, RD. 1492. rubberducky - 8/22/2001 4:40:02 AM wabbit or Mrs Nuh-Uh:
any feedback re: my Message # 1485 1493. wabbit - 8/29/2001 11:55:08 PM Ducky,
I also thought this problem had been resolved. I'll check again. 1494. msgreer - 9/4/2001 2:17:55 AM It has been brought to my attention some folks believe I left the Mote because of Law School. That is not true. I did not leave theMote because of Law School and anyone who entertains that thought should know that is sheer fantasy. 1496. Ms. No - 4/12/2002 5:52:41 AM Ah, the Policies thread sees the light of day once again. Some important issues have been brought up and this is really the best place to address them. I'm going to be copying some posts here from other threads that address the current issue. If I miss a post that you feel was important, please let me know. I'm trying to get the salient points addressed rather than make a comprehensive list of every post that mentions anything about this subject, but if you feel I've neglected a distinct point please say so.
Now, on to business. 1497. Ms. No - 4/12/2002 6:00:26 AM Fair Warning:
I'm not feeling tolerant of any petty sniping. Keep the personal insults and cat-fighting outside of this discussion or find your posts moved.
1498. Ms. No - 4/12/2002 6:01:33 AM Reposted from The Inferno
12070. Absensia - 4/12/02 10:10:52 AM
Posts that Jex made to CG's thread re terrorism, appear to me to be on topic, and not "Jexster spam." I believe CG has a personal vendetta against Jexter and it seems evident now when Cal announced: "After two days of patiently moving out all of his garbage, he rarely posts there. I consider that a win."
If spamming's a problem, then I think Ms. No, Pelle or Wabbit should deal with it.
I don't thinking "winning" is what is supposed to be going on here.
In addition, I think sending on posts to the inferno when they are not personal attacks, or spamming, but are on point, sets a dangerous precedent. If it's up to the thread host to decide what they don't "like," then the Inferno will be about the only place people post.
Now apparently RP is allowing JC to act as a host in I&P to dump Jexster's posts or spam. And, a determination of spam is objective around here. Which host will be next, and whose posts will he or she send to the inferno.
12077. PelleNilsson - 4/12/02 12:19:40 PM
Absensia
the governors have punted to the thread hosts. IMO, the "governors" have not deal with this in any appropriate way
Two questions:
Do you want a more centralized governance of this forum?
In what way did "the governors" not deal with this in an "appropriate way" and what, in your opinion, would have been the "appropriate way"?
1499. Ms. No - 4/12/2002 6:04:01 AM 12084. Absensia - 4/12/02 1:20:49 PM
Yes, a real surprise, Wabbit...lol (Note from ms.no:This addresses the Motie, labwabbit, not the Moderator, Wabbit)
Pelle, your quote first came from JC and I quoted it and said I agreed that it has been punted.
As to your query,
1. Yes I would like to see a more centralized form of governance. Once that sets out clearly what are the b asic rules for moving posts, deleting them, and why. I for one think vicious personal attacks that occur over and over should be a basis for banning or suspension.
2. I think there are several instances: you deciding to delete certain threads and Ms. No putting them back; telling certain posters, in email, to just grow up and ignore a poster who makes repeatedly nasty personal attacks; setting up a thread when some one asks for it and claims it will take care of jexster. It looks as if anarchy is near. Leaving some decision to thread hosts is fine, especially with more concrete rules of engagement.
More......
1500. Ms. No - 4/12/2002 6:04:36 AM
12085. Absensia - 4/12/02 1:23:10 PM
I recommend that the governors talk to one another, perhaps by email, icq, or whatever, to decide such things as creating new threads, deleting old ones, who will be suspended or banned, if a poster feels another is personally attacking him/her in a mean and vicious manner, what role the governors should have, and how to deal with spammers as well as thread hosts who delete on topic posts. And, as I said above, be clear as to what is not tolerated in the Mote, as sent out in the r o e. For instance, if someone is spamming, and there have been a few who have done it, why not have the governors speak up and deal with it, rather appointing (by giving her a thread when Cal stated before she was given the thread, that her reason was to stop Jexster. And either today or yesterday she said she had "won" against Jexster. Cal's thread has some excellent posts and I am not attacking her. I think the "getting Jexster" if he is so bad, should be done by the governors.
As I said above, if this filling the Inferno with on topic posts continues, then we, as hosts, may decide that we should be "enforcers" as well, and delete or move posts of people we decide violate the rules of our threads?
As you asked a few days or so ago, why have a parallel thread?
I don't like censorship either, but if it's going to come, and sometimes it must, then I think it's something the governors should decide and then enforce.
I do understand you and the other governors donate your time, and it can be a real hassle, and I appreciate your efforts. I do think that you have "punted" in giving hosts almost unbridled authority to move or delete posts. It seems like it could end up as vigilante justice.
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